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08-07-2020, 07:38 AM

#121

pangolin

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Originally Posted by YVslave

reduced credit will gives us more lines?? Haha haha. Like we have any control over that, or anything related to PBS

Yes and we do.

08-07-2020, 07:47 AM

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terks43

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Originally Posted by captive apple

Reduction in guaranteed hours (concession) can easily be tied to furlough numbers.

With ignorant comments like that, not yours but rather the one you were responding to, it’s almost like none of these people actually read the last LOA that came just before the CARES act. You can, and have done, tie a reduced guarantee into BOTH being TEMPORARY and PROHIBITING furloughs.

08-07-2020, 08:00 AM

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tonsterboy5

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Originally Posted by terks43

“Temporary” is something anyone in this industry for more than a day can say is not true. They will drop the hours, then file for bankruptcy and bring the current “temporary” contract to court and that will be their baseline for negotiations.

08-07-2020, 08:15 AM

#124

Seneca Pilot

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Originally Posted by tonsterboy5

None of these guys have been around long enough or done the research to know how these play out. Look into the past. See what happened to the Northwest pilots in the 90s five years and they had to strike in 1998 and still didn't get back to 1993 pay. You guys want to take a VLOA, have at it but do not accept short lines or reduced hourly rates. You will pay that bill for a very long time if you do.

08-07-2020, 08:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Seneca Pilot

You guys want to take a VLOA, have at it but do not accept short lines

That's probably safe enough because airlines don't LIKE short lines, that will go away naturally on it's own as demand picks up. Some major pilots actually have it baked into their contracts for furlough mitigation. Airlines prefer busy pilots, since they have significant overhead just to be on the books (far more than any other employees).

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Originally Posted by Seneca Pilot

or reduced hourly rates. You will pay that bill for a very long time if you do.

Yeah, don't do that.

08-07-2020, 08:31 AM

#126

YVslave

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Originally Posted by pangolin

Yes and we do.

no where in the pwa do we have PBS language.

08-07-2020, 08:50 AM

#127

mjpilot

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Reduced lines ONLY at full min guarantee pay, just like it is right now.

Warn Notices would be out already IF the company was in such dire straits looking forward.

08-07-2020, 09:29 AM

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08-07-2020, 09:33 AM

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Originally Posted by pangolin

These sorts of comments baffle me. You’d rather make ZERO than temporarily make less? Nobody is suggesting permanent concessions. Reduced credit would give more people lines and have better reserve utilization as well as reducing downgrades. If it gets too bad take the VLOA. That’s more than zero too and you still collect unemployment.

I did take the VLOA extending to November 1st specifically so I could have another job when/if mass layoffs on October 1 happened across the entire job market. Working another job with working as much as I would load up my schedule pre covid is financially beneficial to me vs reduced min pay where I’d have no ability to work extra for more pay, again which would financially ruin me