Mesa issues warn notice to pilots
08-11-2020 | 02:51 PM
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Don’t get too comfortable on the ejet side. Earnings call explained that we are challenged getting financing for even 10 of the 175s. The only deal to fly the 700s as 550s for United is in JO’s mind. 2 AA 900s that expired in January were removed early. 47 more expire between Feb 2021 and Dec 2023. Waiting for AA to determine their fleet size going forward before any potential extension - but “we think we remain important”. No mention of downsizing the 900 to 67 seats this time. At least Mesa is doing their part to meet scope.
The mentioned no furloughs but without a PSP extension from the government we are relying on REDUCED CREDIT - if pilots don’t give on that then expect the furloughs and downgrades. It was a message both to labor and the government. We might make it to January but once the 900s start to go the furloughs are coming. There’s some myopia in this pilot group thinking that if you are on the united side you’ll be ok. Not so. If I get displaced from my CRJ I’ll go to the Ejet as a CA and cause a downgrade potentially. That’s how seniority works. We need to do something on the AA side of the house or we are all in deep **** come 2022.
The mentioned no furloughs but without a PSP extension from the government we are relying on REDUCED CREDIT - if pilots don’t give on that then expect the furloughs and downgrades. It was a message both to labor and the government. We might make it to January but once the 900s start to go the furloughs are coming. There’s some myopia in this pilot group thinking that if you are on the united side you’ll be ok. Not so. If I get displaced from my CRJ I’ll go to the Ejet as a CA and cause a downgrade potentially. That’s how seniority works. We need to do something on the AA side of the house or we are all in deep **** come 2022.
If it comes to that, United has paid for the initial E175 type ratings, they WON'T pay displacement ratings. I'm pretty sure about that.
Does Mesa want this mess and pay for that? J.O. either break the contact (I think that's been done in the past), or files another bankruptcy to restructure the company in his favor.
Fingers crossed, right?
08-11-2020 | 03:32 PM
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If it comes to that, United has paid for the initial E175 type ratings, they WON'T pay displacement ratings. I'm pretty sure about that.
Does Mesa want this mess and pay for that? J.O. either break the contact (I think that's been done in the past), or files another bankruptcy to restructure the company in his favor.
Fingers crossed, right?
Does Mesa want this mess and pay for that? J.O. either break the contact (I think that's been done in the past), or files another bankruptcy to restructure the company in his favor.
Fingers crossed, right?
On the bright side if the company furloughs, it will be a minimum of pilots to avoid/minimize this very thing. if I things bad enough I’ll be headed to IAH with a bunch of other displaced CRJ guys. I sure hope it doesn’t happen - I like 900.
08-11-2020 | 06:29 PM
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Don’t get too comfortable on the ejet side. Earnings call explained that we are challenged getting financing for even 10 of the 175s. The only deal to fly the 700s as 550s for United is in JO’s mind. 2 AA 900s that expired in January were removed early. 47 more expire between Feb 2021 and Dec 2023. Waiting for AA to determine their fleet size going forward before any potential extension - but “we think we remain important”. No mention of downsizing the 900 to 67 seats this time. At least Mesa is doing their part to meet scope.
The mentioned no furloughs but without a PSP extension from the government we are relying on REDUCED CREDIT - if pilots don’t give on that then expect the furloughs and downgrades. It was a message both to labor and the government. We might make it to January but once the 900s start to go the furloughs are coming. There’s some myopia in this pilot group thinking that if you are on the united side you’ll be ok. Not so. If I get displaced from my CRJ I’ll go to the Ejet as a CA and cause a downgrade potentially. That’s how seniority works. We need to do something on the AA side of the house or we are all in deep **** come 2022.
The mentioned no furloughs but without a PSP extension from the government we are relying on REDUCED CREDIT - if pilots don’t give on that then expect the furloughs and downgrades. It was a message both to labor and the government. We might make it to January but once the 900s start to go the furloughs are coming. There’s some myopia in this pilot group thinking that if you are on the united side you’ll be ok. Not so. If I get displaced from my CRJ I’ll go to the Ejet as a CA and cause a downgrade potentially. That’s how seniority works. We need to do something on the AA side of the house or we are all in deep **** come 2022.
08-11-2020 | 07:23 PM
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If you have 200 too many in the AA side you can’t just let them go. You do a displacement bid with the new fleet requirements. It goes by seniority. It was alluded to by the company when we accepted the 20 Ejets that displacements might have to happen. Then Covid. But if one side or the other shrinks and we have a surplus they furlough the bottom - not just the surplus side - and retrain as necessary.
08-22-2020 | 09:25 AM
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In a cadet an just got my transition letter to FO an was told to be ready within 10 days of being called. Recruitment is back in the office
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08-22-2020 | 09:33 AM
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JO wants to be ready to pick up the scraps of whatever is left of the industry after this. Doesn’t want to be caught with his pants down, better to have pilots on hand then to struggle to staff if something rather large becomes available.
08-22-2020 | 01:59 PM
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I hate to be that guy but unless something drastic happens were still looking like we will be furloughing guys. Email got sent out not too long ago there wouldn't be enough furloughs to warrant WARN notices but I would be very very surprised if we don't furlough. The only hope would be getting assigned more UA flying and being able to convert 700's to 550's. Currently that would be the only saving grace. That or things start to drastically pick up.
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