Mesa issues warn notice to pilots
08-23-2020, 09:44 AM
#181
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Originally Posted by pangolin
I could make the argument that pilots work under 20 hours per week:
“Generally, the WARN Act covers employers with 100 or more employees, not counting those who have worked fewer than six months in the last twelve-month work period, or those who work an average of less than 20 hours a week.” From your Wikipedia link. I found the 6 month duration but I can’t find any independent reference but I guess we will know Sept 15th!
“Generally, the WARN Act covers employers with 100 or more employees, not counting those who have worked fewer than six months in the last twelve-month work period, or those who work an average of less than 20 hours a week.” From your Wikipedia link. I found the 6 month duration but I can’t find any independent reference but I guess we will know Sept 15th!
As far as the 20 hours per week I’d imagine that duty time is what you need to be looking at there and not credit time. In that case pretty much all of us are around 35-40 hours a week. Time required to
be at work is work, irregardless if paid or not.
08-23-2020, 11:19 AM
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Originally Posted by terks43
I’m currently reading through a Cornell Law copy of the Law, and the 6 months seams to have something to do with it being considered as an “employment loss” as far as what that has to do with notification I’m still trying to dig around for, because right now I’m not seeing anything that makes notification or anything at all really different between the two.
As far as the 20 hours per week I’d imagine that duty time is what you need to be looking at there and not credit time. In that case pretty much all of us are around 35-40 hours a week. Time required to
be at work is work, irregardless if paid or not.
As far as the 20 hours per week I’d imagine that duty time is what you need to be looking at there and not credit time. In that case pretty much all of us are around 35-40 hours a week. Time required to
be at work is work, irregardless if paid or not.
08-23-2020, 12:34 PM
#183
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Originally Posted by pangolin
Sadly I think Wikipedia is wrong on the 6 month thing but do I think Mesa would use Wikipedia for their legal reference? Well ....
https://youtu.be/q67cD8pDgqk
08-23-2020, 12:40 PM
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Originally Posted by terks43
There are exceptions to the warn act, they believe that if they have to they will be within those exceptions. Basically either less then 50 people or between 50-500 as long as it less then 33% of employees at any one site, or for less then 6 months. So yes you absolutely can furlough without putting out a WARN notice. If you believe that you have to send a WARN act notice to furlough anyone you are extremely mistaken.
08-23-2020, 01:10 PM
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It wouldn't make sense financially to furlough short term for that 6 month period anyway at least I wouldn't think so. If they furlough I would assume it would be for over a year as a minimum to make financial sense to the bean counters.
08-23-2020, 01:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Avgeek7248
It wouldn't make sense financially to furlough short term for that 6 month period anyway at least I wouldn't think so. If they furlough I would assume it would be for over a year as a minimum to make financial sense to the bean counters.
Uh.... it’s Mesa.
08-24-2020, 09:20 AM
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Originally Posted by NovemberBravo
You never know with Mesa they flush probably hundreds of thousands of dollars down the toilet on unused Sim time and refuse to fire the person doing it.
08-24-2020, 09:29 AM
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Originally Posted by terks43
You left out the part where they lost the previous person doing it that actually knew what she was doing because they refused to give her a pay raise and her replacement immediately lost 6 figures in unused, but already paid for, sim time.
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