You're absurd. We all know the risk going to work at the airlines. Your representation represents ALL of your pilots. Not just those being furloughed. It’s called COLLECTIVE bargaining. Your reps are working for what’s best for the pilot group as a whole. Not the bottom 35%. I’m confused why you’re making such a scene about this? Got bills to pay? Go get a 2nd job. Can’t find a job? Start a business. Do something instead of crying about it. In this current market there are opportunities if you know how to take advantage of them.

 

I merely choose to believe in the company that has supported myself and my family, I'm sorry if you see that at naive. Not only do I have self respect, I have respect and compassion for my fellow pilot in these difficult times. You on the other hand seem to only care about yourself. You're an embarrassment to this industry, you and your greed. If we get a proposal to take a 40/50 hour lines and keep everyone on board you bet I'm all for it!

 

With Covid unemployment at $400/we most of those FOs will be making the same as a 60 hour guarantee LOL. Seniority is everything. Period. 490 pilots at the bottoms is heavy on 175 FO, there would be a lot of equipment displacements that prove to be much costlier than the ~$1.4M (peanuts) mgmt saves by laying off the most junior 500 guys. There comes a point where pilots (and any skilled laborer) must put a line in the sand on what that skill is worth, instead of racing to the bottom when there are better options on the table.

Don’t know why you’re stomping your feet over this. You’re all for everyone taking a cut to 60 hours, but what happens when it’s passed and you’re downgraded anyway? Gonna b*tch about being paid at 60 hours FO?

Youre not going to get sympathy from guys at the top who have gone through 3+ furloughs, mergers, and bottom of the seniority list staples. There is nothing left to concede. Not in a contract year, not ever. I encourage junior FOs to run their financial numbers excluding their first year bonus—most will maybe see 25K year 2.

Let the union do its job.

 

Year 2 is $34,656 pretax, with a week of paid vacation. Federal minimum wage is $15,080, working 40 hours a week (if you are lucky) 52 weeks a year with no sick days.

 

That company wide email was sent to divide the pilot group. I say we all don’t answer our phones for the last 3 days of September. Any more than 3 days off calling out sick requires a doctors note. Being furloughed knowing the sick time drops and I most likely won’t be coming back, maybe not a bad option. It’s not like when they furlough they will give you your sick days as a cash out.

 

34.6 gross would be about 25 after taxes. But why are we even debating this when the greater issue is that a second year airline pilot is paid 34.6!? And you want to take less? Mesa pilots are some of the most blue collar regional guys out there, most have struggled to even make it to where they're at now, doing it for even less compensation is out of the question. I have a 19 year old kid working two jobs right now and making more than a year 2 FO. He spends less time at work in a month than they spend TAFB. Who's working more? Who's home more?

Fortunately for the rest of the pilot group, only a few of us have your sentiments. The union's hard no on concessions can and will hold.

 

No one with any skills works for minimum wage.

You are acting like an entitled brat and it's disgusting. You have been told many times over by people with way more experience than you that concessions do not save jobs. You will still be downgraded or furloughed with or without concessions. This broken record plays every ten or twelve years and management ALWAYS pushes for concessions and then memorializes them in the next contract. There are going to be about fifteen thousand pilots on the street within the next few months unless people start to fly again. No concessions will change that.

Grow up.

 

And just how long do you support a 40 or 50 guarantee? This event is not going to be over in 6 months, it is going to drag on. When I get downgraded it’s going to be a real ***** living on that at our FO rates. It’s ludicrous to expect an adult to live on a 40/50Hr guarantee at our Captain rates.

 

I made more than minimum wage at my “minimum wage” job when I was 16. Very few places now days start at Fed min. Because if they did no one would work there. Have you ever worked a blue collar/service industry job? Or were you fresh out of high school parents paid 141 product, not ever having to worry about bills through all that time kid? Not taking shots just asking a question to see where you’re (mis)information is coming from.

 

Since no one here seems to be an FO, let me tell you how much one makes. Filing single on taxes with TX as my state of residence I bring home $1070 Every 2 weeks. So imagine being on short call reserve living off of $2140 a month. That’s with no medical insurance.