Originally Posted by MesaPilot

Ok, long time lurker first time poster on any pilot forums. I tend to stay out of it and just let other ***** at each other. But seriously. Concessions? When did changing the contract for good ever come into play? When did it become “we must sacrifice the junior pilots to preserve the integrity of Mesa” y’all just like to argue. What is so wrong with taking a hourly pay cut UNTIL THE END OF DECEMBER to save 490 jobs UNTIL THE END OF DECEMBER? It’s a temporary MOU not a permanent contract change. It at least give everyone more time to prepare. Also whoever said you’d rather be an FO with full hours over a captain with a reduced guarantee should really do the math. With a 60 hour guarantee I’d still make 1300+ more as a Captain than a full time FO. Yes I agree this is a public attempt to divide us and pressure the union to take action. But I also think give the world more time to come back together is in everyone’s best option. For all we know after the election everything will go back to normal and Covid will be forgotten. I say let everyone keep some sort of income from Mesa until December and give the world more time to start flying again. Contact your reps instead of arguing on here.

Originally Posted by propellere

Your argument is sound except for one flaw. You are assuming that the company will not furlough if the concessions are made. This is where pilots have been deceived in the past.

Mesa managements objective is to:
-Reduce the cost of labor as much as possible
-Maximize profitability via 100% utilization of labor

Management will only keep on as many pilots as it can to maintain profitability. Mesa is in business to make profit, not provide charity or food on the table for you and your kids.

The furlough email was sent as an attempt from management to bypass the Union as a negotiating tactic.


How about this... I’ll support the MOU if JO pays himself 1st FO pay or resigns as CEO.

Neither is likely to happen. He is spineless and doesn’t even send out such important emails himself. I would bet that he offered the Brads a size able bonus if they can leverage the pilot group to take the MOU.

I have been on the other side of the fence managing a union of over 450 workers. This is how it works. Profits before people.

Originally Posted by pangolin

Just considering ca - we lose 220 to either furlough or downgrade. This is how it shakes out:412 ca remaining system wide

486 Sr number Most jr

April 28, 2016 hire date





94 crj

1 737

125 ejet

By base

1 CVG

58 DFW

5 IAD

18 PHX

13 SDF (all but 4)

125 IAH

Originally Posted by propellere

Your argument is sound except for one flaw. You are assuming that the company will not furlough if the concessions are made. This is where pilots have been deceived in the past.

Mesa managements objective is to:
-Reduce the cost of labor as much as possible
-Maximize profitability via 100% utilization of labor

Management will only keep on as many pilots as it can to maintain profitability. Mesa is in business to make profit, not provide charity or food on the table for you and your kids.

The furlough email was sent as an attempt from management to bypass the Union as a negotiating tactic.


How about this... I’ll support the MOU if JO pays himself 1st FO pay or resigns as CEO.

Neither is likely to happen. He is spineless and doesn’t even send out such important emails himself. I would bet that he offered the Brads a size able bonus if they can leverage the pilot group to take the MOU.

I have been on the other side of the fence managing a union of over 450 workers. This is how it works. Profits before people.

Originally Posted by Aeronaut55

Once again..the bottom of the MOU states no furloughs if the bullets ahead are met..and it’s dated. Temporary! Everyone keeps hiding behind the statement it will become permanent. It’s three months.

Originally Posted by propellere

Too many assumptions. SDF would likely close and PHX would go satélite staffing. A displacement bid will go out once the company sees that the Union will not budget. Please don’t budge Union. No reduced guarantee.

Originally Posted by Aeronaut55

Once again..the bottom of the MOU states no furloughs if the bullets ahead are met..and it’s dated. Temporary! Everyone keeps hiding behind the statement it will become permanent. It’s three months.

Originally Posted by FollowMe

And then in three months you have no problem holding the line? No sob stories about your 14 kids with ailments and food stamps? No? If it isn’t better in three months you’ll be faced with the same problem, likely worse as the LOA prolongs cash burn. So then what, rally for another concessionary LOA? And then continue to negotiate out of fear and accept concessions until the point that the concessions don’t seem like concessions anymore because they have become the standard? Almost like everyone who has been in this industry long enough to have more than one cup of coffee has seen happen every. Single. Time?

The biggest enemy of pilots will never be management, other pilots do a perfectly acceptable job of cutting each other off at the knees to grab some scraps.

Unity above all, and that requires having a backbone.

Originally Posted by FollowMe

And then in three months you have no problem holding the line? No sob stories about your 14 kids with ailments and food stamps? No? If it isn’t better in three months you’ll be faced with the same problem, likely worse as the LOA prolongs cash burn. So then what, rally for another concessionary LOA? And then continue to negotiate out of fear and accept concessions until the point that the concessions don’t seem like concessions anymore because they have become the standard? Almost like everyone who has been in this industry long enough to have more than one cup of coffee has seen happen every. Single. Time?

The biggest enemy of pilots will never be management, other pilots do a perfectly acceptable job of cutting each other off at the knees to grab some scraps.

Unity above all, and that requires having a backbone.