A starting janitor/furniture mover/relief doorman at the building where my office is makes more than a 5 year FO at any regional and the benefits are better, time off is better. They just don't have a carrot they are chasing.

If these building management companies were smart they would take the few at the top and pay them a bunch of money. Then they could get the rest to work at half of what they are making now as they chase that carrot. Log book - Desks fit into an elevator, furnace igniter failures diagnosed and replaced. Build your resume to where your are allowed to put the big desks into the big elevators.

They could create an excitement by talking about how many maintenance people are reaching retirement age and how these high paying jobs will be available to those who have paid their dues and logged so much time.

If the janitors/furniture movers/relief doorman won't work for the 16000 a year they can go to the government and complain about the shortage of qualified people for these jobs. We could get the government to setup training programs for these jobs. They could advertise how these jobs are now paying more than an airline pilot makes because of the severe shortage.

 

Tim, I expect to be compensated for the work I did, per the Mesa CBA. United doesn't even have your definition of "true cancellation pay."

 

Bigger problem is that we have no leverage in pushing for a new contract, J.O. has no incentive to sign a new contract, our new hire classes are always full, and attrition is very low the more senior you go. Things will change I suppose the first time a new hire class is empty, if that ever happens.

 

How do you think with cancellation pay you're somehow gaming the system? I fly 3 legs that combined take 3 more hours than block because of a snow storm and atc delays. Then a week later I get 3 flights cancelled. I keep those 3 extra hours I actually worked. With line guarantee I lose those hours I worked.

I just don't understand the mentality that you think this is uncalled for. I guess you guys don't want trip and/or duty rigs either.

 

If you pick up opentime, do you lose that time if there are lots of cancelations that month?

 

Lines are up on Crew Trac.

 

For one, no janitor is going to clean **** out of a toilet for 16,000 a year. Moving furniture is not a long time job due to the physical toll it puts on the body. And if pilots decide not to work for regionals for 16,000 starting pay. And the regionals are no longer viable do to the higher labor cost. They might go away to some extent. Of course, worst outcome is Joe Schmo Wisconsin senator sais he does not have enough flight service out of Green Bay and pushes Cabotage legislature through congress. Then all of us are ****ed.

 

We want all that, **** people. It's about leverage in negotiations.

 

No, you do not lose it. Opentime is added to your awarded block that bid. You just lose your monthly overblock subtracted via cancellation hours back to your awarded line hours. You also lose your overblock if you have under blocked a few legs as well. Since it's a monthly rolling total. It does suck. But if we are awarded a 90 hour line, pick up 10 hours of open time for a 100 hours total that month. No mater what happens we get paid 100hrs. The old contract we had before 2009, if we had a lot of cancels, that would fall back to 70hrs of line guarantee. I believe that is how Republics current contract works.

 

Does this statement only apply to cancellations and your line guarantee or does under blocking cancel out over blocking normally?