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#8102
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Not sure that it is un-Mesa to have a high failure rate. There have been programs in the past that have had very high failure rates. The EJET, however, is not one of them. Just some trolling going on in the other thread.
#8103
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Mesa was my first and only regional I worked for in the mid 90's. My 1900 class started with 33 people and only 15 of us made it through all phases. My Mesa experience helped me to form the opinion that all regional training was sh$tty. My part 135 training in SEL, MEL,and jet training was better than Mesa. My training at big purple was better than Mesa.
#8104
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I don't think it's quite at 50%, but next time you fly with a LCA or see your favorite APD in Phx ask how upgrades are going. Hear about that little incident in Phx the other day with a brand new captain? The sky isn't falling, but there are definitely more than a couple issues on both sides. More than a couple have failed ejet upgrade.
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I don't keep up with the CRJ stuff and I have been off for a week or so, so I haven't heard anything about any new PHX Captains. As for the 175 program, I would find it alarming if there hadn't been some failures. That is par for the course in any training program. There is definitely room for improvement (a completely different topic) but the pass/fail rate is not even close to being newsworthy at this point.
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I rather hear there have been some failures to weed out the guys that aren't ready.
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I'd rather hear they don't get recommendations, or have the self awareness to know they aren't ready, so they don't waste company time and money, and so someone who is ready can fill the slot.
#8108
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Agreed Captains need to be held accountable for recommending pilots that can't handle a short approach or descend via.
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A bigger issue seems to be the prevailing assumption that being a Captain is the same as being an FO, just that you get to taxi the airplane and sign the release in one extra place. Some enter training woefully underprepared for making command decisions. As a result the training department has put together a command leadership class to help bridge the gap. If you want to upgrade you need to get started long before that though. Spend some time talking to Captains, especially the senior ones. Ask them to show you the process they go through when looking at the release/AML, etc etc. Look at the release yourself and start figuring out how to determine if you can operate this flight safely and legally with what you have. Start thinking and caring about fuel loads and planning etc etc etc. Imagine yourself faced with various abnormal/emergency situations and think about how you would handle them. If you're not sure, start soliciting advice from multiple captains to get a feel for what they think. Research the manuals to see if there is guidance in there. It isn't rocket science, but it does take thought and preparation.
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Anyone have the circs. On the CA that clipped the 75? I also heard that we had a hard landing a couple days ago in which two FAs got injured. Anyone hear this as well?
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