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Old 03-04-2015 | 09:00 AM
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Holy moses, my eyes just melted. You don't get out much do you?
Old 03-04-2015 | 09:03 AM
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Originally Posted by 24/48
We have over 12,000 applicants right now, we can do what we want. Heck, maybe running down Quebec Ave in a pink tutu should be added just for you. 5-7 years from now it may be a different story, heck we may even be handing out UAL seniority numbers to freshmen at ERAU.

Whatever your fascination is with the "top-notch" hiring methods at the "elite" regionals like Skywest, it's noted, but it still would not have changed the fact that new-hires sometimes make jacka$$ moves and get fired. It happens at every regional, face-to-face interview or not.





Just because the applicant is hired over the phone doesn't mean Mesa doesn't have an obligation under Federal law to perform the necessary background checks. In fact, people have been asked to leave in the middle of indoc because something popped on their background. It's the price Mesa is willing to pay instead of flying applicants to PHX to do a face-to-face interview. Fact is those background issues would pop regardless, an it's usually a small percentage, so why not get the "meat in the seat" instead of having the applicant sit at home waiting to be cleared to start?



Thinking that a US 121 carrier doesn't perform all necessary background checks because they do a phone interview is WICKED RETARDED!



My point exactly!



The guy did something douchie during indoc, and is really not indicative of the hiring process.



Really???? So you're saying you need a "back-stop" to protect your carreer in case you don't have the ability to get through training? That is pretty weak. I mean you and Facebiter come on here conveying the "holier than though because I interviewed, took a written test, and flew a Frasca" bravado and yet you're concerned about having a training issue and possibly a ding in PRIA. That is priceless hypocrisy!



But wait, why get all defensive when someone brings up the long upgrade time at Skywest? (See the quotes below)









Quick upgrades are bad right?!?!?



But facebiter says that's a bad thing, it's "dangerous"!



Yeah, it's fun watching the Skywesties and TSAers boast about their positions when a good portion of their UAX fleets will probably be parked over the next 5 years.



So when UAL says "we have no more use for 50 seaters" (and yes that day will come), for whom do you envision you'll be flying them for?



At least he can make coherent, fact based posts that normal adults can read and debate with. You on the other hand are like the "peaked in high school Rob Lowe" from the Directv commercials.



Most regional airline progress is predicated on rumor, no need for a crystal ball, just look at history.



And once you get consolidated expect to sit on reserve and do nothing while all the open time is used to build consolidation lines for folks coming out of training, at least that is what happened here in IAH.





You Skywesties crack me up......you do realize you guys are non-union and that everything you have was given to you because others negotiated it. You guys work for some of the "smarmiest" management folks around. You are in no position whatsoever to point fingers at those who collectively bargained in this industry, because all you guys have done is collectively taken.



That thing was horrible!



I heard they only got 12 in the most recent class.



Agreed, and I'd expect to see more of this stuff. It may eventually happen at the majors.



Jerry Atkin, and 2 failed ALPA drives, any questions?
I do believe you have won the award for calling out the most amount of members in one post. I gotta tip my hat to that!
Old 03-04-2015 | 09:14 AM
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Originally Posted by SUX4U
I do believe you have won the award for calling out the most amount of members in one post. I gotta tip my hat to that!
Thank you, it's a slow morning.
Old 03-04-2015 | 09:16 AM
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He reminds me of that creepy lipstick guy from Billy Madison.
Old 03-04-2015 | 09:27 AM
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Originally Posted by SUX4U
I do believe you have won the award for calling out the most amount of members in one post. I gotta tip my hat to that!
I can guarantee when I'm working for a major I won't be writinga doctoral thesis about how much I think I may but in reality don't know.

I'll counter two of his chapters. First, you say United has 12,000 apps on file. THAT may be true but I'd venture that only 1/3 of them are potential employees. Four thousand is still a lot but not nearly as staggering.

Second, a good company, airline or not, should not be irresponsible enough to hire someone without appropriate credentials especially knowing it'll ruin someone's career. That's bad faith hiring. I'm not saying the applicant isn't culpable for their resume and background but a company should not blindly hire knowing the implications to their career.

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Old 03-04-2015 | 10:32 AM
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Originally Posted by CBreezy
Second, a good company, airline or not, should not be irresponsible enough to hire someone without appropriate credentials especially knowing it'll ruin someone's career. That's bad faith hiring. I'm not saying the applicant isn't culpable for their resume and background but a company should not blindly hire knowing the implications to their career.
Serious question, other than having ATP mins and a current first class medical, what other qualifications do you need to succeed at a regional? This isn't exactly the space shuttle program we're talking about...

And if you're referring to the sexual harassment case, outside of being a registered sex offender or having a history of harassment (which the airline is legally required to look into before officially hiring an applicant), then there's not way to know until it happens. We could dig into the HR records at each US regional and I guarantee you we would find folks getting fired for not keeping their hands to themselves. The same folks who aced the interview and made it through training just fine.
Old 03-04-2015 | 10:46 AM
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Originally Posted by CBreezy
Second, a good company, airline or not, should not be irresponsible enough to hire someone without appropriate credentials especially knowing it'll ruin someone's career. That's bad faith hiring. I'm not saying the applicant isn't culpable for their resume and background but a company should not blindly hire knowing the implications to their career.
I disagree. I'd say it's 100% completely on the future employee. If you are offered a job based on what you disclose on your resume and application, that is all the company knows about you. They are hiring you based off of that. If you blatantly leave off failed check rides, legal issues, or prior negative work history, and the company learns of these things during indoc, that's on YOU. Of the two parties, you were the only one who knew the real story. You can't fault a company for giving you an opportunity, and then YOU blowing it by lying or deceiving. If it ruins your career, it ruins your career. But why is that the company's fault? That is the gamble one chooses to take by lying and deceiving.

Choices are; disclose everything, OR don't disclose everything but understand the consequences.
Old 03-04-2015 | 10:57 AM
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Question for the old hands out there:

What is a lineholder's responsibility when Crew Tracking cancels a portion of a trip and says you're on "FDP"? Can they assign you other flying? Are you required to answer your phone? If so, what's the minimum call-out?
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FYI
PHX base will be reducing it's aircraft to 12-14 planes. I see displacement on the horizon for you junior FO's.
Old 03-04-2015 | 11:20 AM
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Originally Posted by 24/48
Thank you, it's a slow morning.
I would imagine so! Glad you put the down time to setting some records straight.
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