Originally Posted by PeopleMover90

Haven't really followed, but when so your Ejets come on property? And how many? Seems like more could fit after 2015.... They are going to ask eagle for a lot. If they don't play ball with douggie they'll find a new home.

Originally Posted by Chrisw

Sooo you have had numerous FO's hired with no PIC. Would you disagree that PIC makes it easier to get hired? By a lot? Now for your ridiculous assumptions about someone you don't know... No failures. No DUI. Associates degree and taking classes. Will be done in 2 years or less with a bachelors easily. Then you proceed to talk about the challenges of getting to mainline. Wait a minute... Two sentences ago FO's were getting hired. Guess it isn't all that hard after all? Maybe you just need to justify why YOU can't get a job? That would explain a lot. I know people at EVERY major airline in the US. The two chief pilots and one recruiter I know personally all tell me that with PIC I will get an interview and at delta and united I need to finish the degree and then get the 1000 pic to get a call. I'm not special. I am not the only one that knows people. Not by a long shot. MOST pilots that take career progression seriously know a lot more people at mainline than I do. This business is networking. Perhaps that is why you are still here on a regional forum criticizing people that are likely to get the call before you. I would help out anyone I could to progress in their career. Even you! When I move on wherever it is I won't forget this. If you don't network you will retire on an RJ and while there is NOTHING WRONG with that IF that is what you want, it isn't for me. I do not want to work at the regional level any longer than I need to. The recipe is simple and nobody can deny this. No failures, accidents, violations, or dui's with a degree and pic properly networked will get you calls. It isn't rocket science. Sad thing is, outside of the forum here if I were on your jumpseat and you said, "I want to work at xyz airline" I could probably give you someone to call that you could add to your networking Rolodex that would help you out. And before you say, "no you wouldn't do that..." Yes I would. I don't have a lot of flight time. Chances are I help you out, when I need the help you would help me if I was the one that got you the mainline job. That's the way it works. Backscratching per se. I hate having to "defend" myself here as I am a pretty low key easy going guy just trying to make my way in this business the best I can, but the personal attacks are a little irritating. Even if it is APC and it is to be expected. I know that for me to achieve the goals I want I need PIC time. That's what I'm after. It's that simple.

Originally Posted by Slats

Perhaps you should learn reading comprehension... Again, yes FOs are being hired without PIC, YES, captains with 5000+ hrs of PIC aren't gee gettin calls, want to know why? There are items more valuable than PIC, who you know, what you know and who you are trump your PIC nugget.

Now, I stated getting hired at mainline will get HARDER because regionals are conceding to managements offers/threats. Why on gods green earth would someone pay X-pilot to fly from IAD-OKC when you can have Y-pilot do the same flight for far less... Retirements won't matter because, mainline will and have furloughed to cover flying at a lesser cost. IE "Jets for jobs" that United pulled. Delta pilots IF furloughed flow down to compass/pinnacle as captains ect... This is already in the playbook and mainline won't wait until 4th and long to execute it....

Originally Posted by skillett

No one is taking back scope. They are losing it in bankruptcy. As much as the mainline folks say "hey, we need to save our flying it belongs to us and our brethren's". The top 60 percent of that seniority list is set to retire in the near future. With retirement cost rising rapidly, they will take that pay raise to keep their lifestyle. They have lost their retirement (or could) and have seen their pay decrease over 40 percent. It would be noble but not in their best interest.

Originally Posted by TallFlyer

Um, Delta, Airways, and UAL bankruptcies are long done. American is now out. While in many cases pensions were decimated I don't recall scope being something targeted during bankruptcy proceedings. But since then I believe recent Delta and UAL CBA's have tightened scope, depending on one's interpretation.

Am I missing something?

Originally Posted by What

You need to go back and review history! SCOPE was targeted during BK. Just this last one, AA had a limit on the number of 65 seaters that could be operated and by whole. It was to less that 50 airframes, management just ordered almost twice that amount 76 seaters with many more options and they already have RAH set to operate 47 of them.

Originally Posted by TallFlyer

Hey I get it, 76 seat fleets are expanding, 50 seat fleets are contracting. Not necessarily a good thing, but is it the wholesale decimation of the domestic mainline fleet like some on here are suggesting? I don't think so.

Hopefully as more and more regional pilots start entering mainline positions as these agreements come again for renegoiation there will be louder and louder voices preventing a further erosion of scope, and dare I say even taking some of it back. Any continued shortage of quality applicants at the regional level is just going to help that.

Originally Posted by TallFlyer

Um, Delta, Airways, and UAL bankruptcies are long done. American is now out. While in many cases pensions were decimated I don't recall scope being something targeted during bankruptcy proceedings. But since then I believe recent Delta and UAL CBA's have tightened scope, depending on one's interpretation.

Am I missing something?