MESA LAX Flying?/NEW Base
06-29-2014, 07:29 PM
#21
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Originally Posted by Jvw700
Look buddy our management told us straight up that in their estimation pilots will leave their current regionals to fly the new airplanes regardless of contract and pay and that if we didn't agree to concessions they would find someone to operate the aircraft based on that premise! So tell me again that pilots who continue to seek employment at these airlines don't play any role in continuing the race to the bottom?
06-29-2014, 07:31 PM
#22
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Originally Posted by SVTCobra
Then that's their choice if they want to bail out knowing they will probably kicked to the curb no matter if they try to fight the fight and stay.
The reality of the regionals today is that mainline carriers don't want to own a regional airline. If you want to look at the history of regionals, start with Delta and their wholly owned regionals. It's all about economics these days, not about a certain pilot group and their contract and CEO.
The reality of the regionals today is that mainline carriers don't want to own a regional airline. If you want to look at the history of regionals, start with Delta and their wholly owned regionals. It's all about economics these days, not about a certain pilot group and their contract and CEO.
06-29-2014, 07:38 PM
#23
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Originally Posted by FaceBiter
What contract will Mesa lose first due to poor performance?
E175's or the AA900's?
I'll take your answers off the air.
E175's or the AA900's?
I'll take your answers off the air.
January 2014 Airline On-Time Performance Down From Previous Year, December | Bureau of Transportation Statistics
February Airline On-Time Performance Down From Previous Year, Up from January | Bureau of Transportation Statistics
March Airline On-Time Performance Down From Previous Year, Up from February | Bureau of Transportation Statistics
April Airline On-Time Performance Up, Cancellations Down From Previous Year, March | Bureau of Transportation Statistics
Mesa may not rank the highest but we're definitely not the lowest. Our numbers have been pretty consistent every month.
06-29-2014, 07:48 PM
#24
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Originally Posted by Jvw700
Than you have been out of the loop it seems as the staffing issues will force main lines to own their regionals and create pathways to mainline in order to attract new hires... This will be the new norm as the pilot shortage gets worse
06-29-2014, 07:56 PM
#25
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Originally Posted by Jvw700
...our management told us straight up that in their estimation pilots will leave their current regionals to fly the new airplanes regardless of contract and pay...
There's more to an employer decision than equipment. Domicile, upgrade time, prior relationships, a myriad of factors go into picking an airline to work for. Aside from avoiding turboprops, equipment is at the bottom of that list. And since you bring up pay, have you considered pilots at these "bottom feeders" might make more money considering their Captain pay by the third year? I really didn't want to get embroiled in these petty airline battles my first day posting here, but since people insist on it...
06-29-2014, 08:05 PM
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Originally Posted by SVTCobra
If that's the case then why is AA kicking Eagle to the curb?..If I remember correctly AA has been wanting to unload Eagle for quite some time now just like Delta did with Comair.
06-29-2014, 08:08 PM
#27
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Originally Posted by deltajuliet
Management told you, huh?
There's more to an employer decision than equipment. Domicile, upgrade time, prior relationships, a myriad of factors go into picking an airline to work for. Aside from avoiding turboprops, equipment is at the bottom of that list. And since you bring up pay, have you considered pilots at these "bottom feeders" might make more money considering their Captain pay by the third year? I really didn't want to get embroiled in these petty airline battles my first day posting here, but since people insist on it...
There's more to an employer decision than equipment. Domicile, upgrade time, prior relationships, a myriad of factors go into picking an airline to work for. Aside from avoiding turboprops, equipment is at the bottom of that list. And since you bring up pay, have you considered pilots at these "bottom feeders" might make more money considering their Captain pay by the third year? I really didn't want to get embroiled in these petty airline battles my first day posting here, but since people insist on it...
06-29-2014, 08:11 PM
#28
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Originally Posted by Jvw700
and you guys would flock to Mesa for the chance to fly the big shiny wide bodies for minimum wage!
06-29-2014, 08:22 PM
#29
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This horse has been beat'n so bad it's dog food.
06-29-2014, 08:30 PM
#30
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What happens when the music stops on the quick upgrade? What are you left with? This is managements dream to bait and switch on ignorant pilots on the promise of a quick upgrade!
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