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Old 11-18-2015 | 12:06 PM
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Originally Posted by flapshalfspeed
I'm thinking they'll try a new hire bonus before getting to that point.
Anything's possible but JO is on record several times saying he doesn't want to go that route.
Old 11-18-2015 | 12:51 PM
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Originally Posted by flapshalfspeed
I'm thinking they'll try a new hire bonus before getting to that point.
A new hire bonus will only speed up the attrition further exacerbating the problem.

The problem is twofold:
1) Attracting new hires
2) Pilot retention

Endeavor management figured that out quickly. The quarterly bonuses satisfy both sides of that equation.
Old 11-18-2015 | 06:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Skyler02
A new hire bonus will only speed up the attrition further exacerbating the problem.

The problem is twofold:
1) Attracting new hires
2) Pilot retention

Endeavor management figured that out quickly. The quarterly bonuses satisfy both sides of that equation.
If Mesa would do what Endeavor does, I would be happy here
Old 11-18-2015 | 06:49 PM
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Originally Posted by iFlyRC
Anyone else notice that they no longer are listing people who resigned from the rosters? Things must be getting bad if they are trying to hide how many people are leaving.
I have to agree, they can't find enough people to replace those leaving, AND for growth that they want... Perhaps we are the next RAH...
I think you're thinking too
much into this... more like the current load work is so high in crew planning due to expansion and them losing one of the crew planners they have fallen behind on updating it monthly.
Old 11-18-2015 | 10:17 PM
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Originally Posted by prior121
I think you're thinking too
much into this... more like the current load work is so high in crew planning due to expansion and them losing one of the crew planners they have fallen behind on updating it monthly.
Who knows..

I mean, 18 captains above me left in the last two months. I feel like the company would rather ignore the writing on the wall than to drop the gimmicks and offer us something remotely close to industry average, which would fix the problem overnight.
Old 11-18-2015 | 10:36 PM
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1) The value of our quick-upgrade carrot is declining quickly as upgrade times plummet pretty much everywhere else, especially Skywest with their highly desirable Western base options and compensation

2) Envoy/PDT/PSA have extremely solid pathways to AA, which will only further reduce upgrade times at those companies as AA hiring picks up over the next 1-10 years. CommutAir seems to be securing a preferential interview with United. Endeavor offers huge incentive pays and a guaranteed (albeit low-odds) interview with DAL

3) The company seems to be unable and/or unwilling to pay anything more than the last TA, which will never fly

I've enjoyed my time at Mesa, and it's worked out very well for me thus far. But I am concerned about our ability to staff existing and future commitments.

Hopefully, the new HR and Crew Resources/Planning directors just hired (who both seem to be highly experienced and competent) are smart enough to realize that the only zero-cost way to reduce attrition and shore up recruiting in the short term are:

1) Better base options

2) Something--anything--to dangle at existing pilots and give them second thoughts about leaving asap. A preferential interview at United or AA, regardless of the stipulations or odds of success, would incentivize people sticking around a bit longer on average imho. Humans are prone to overestimating success with such things, otherwise we wouldn't have Powerball!!!

Better bases or a carrot like a preferential interview/flow...only two "essentially free" things they can use to keep more of us on this pumpkin patch a bit longer.
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Outside of increased compensation flow is the only real game changer.
Old 11-19-2015 | 09:08 AM
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AA and United would be against it while we're working for the other...
Old 11-19-2015 | 09:27 AM
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Originally Posted by deltajuliet
AA and United would be against it while we're working for the other...
The rumor over in the RAH thread is that UAL wants it to apply to people who have only ever worked on that side of the house. Take it for what it's worth, don't shoot the messenger.
Old 11-19-2015 | 09:30 AM
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Just came across an interesting thread from late 2008: http://www.airlinepilotforums.com/re...ne-pilots.html
Originally Posted by winglet
The Mesa pilots just voted in a 21 month contract. In September, 2010, there will be 12 ALPA airlines simultaneously involved in section six negotiations. Those of us involved have never had such a good “pattern bargaining” situation. We can join together and bring the airline pilot profession back from the dead only if we support each other in our struggles instead of encouraging division.
Whatever happened with this? We may have been going through or close to bankruptcy, but the pilot groups still should have capitalized.
The airline industry whipsaw strategy is slowly winning.
If only he knew. By the way, how long has the "whipsaw" term been around?
In 2003 the MAG non-union Freedom Airlines certificate was receiving, staffing and scheduling 1.5 CRJ-900 aircraft a month during our post 9/11 contract negotiations (See GoJet / TranStates)... Mesa Air Group pilots stopped Alter-Ego Freedom Airlines operations, captured their flying under ALPA and sacrificed any improvements in our original substandard contract in order to do so. This happened with the Bush administration stating that the appointed NMB would allow no strikes due to the post 9/11 national security issues. We were highly encouraged by all of the other ALPA MEC’s to accept so that others would have a template for alter-ego contract language. If only TranStates now had our scope.
Again, screw the A-Listers.

FACT: Mesa Air Group pilots were offered and declined to discuss USAirways 737 flying during USAirways’ bankruptcy.
Wow. Did that really happen?

Originally Posted by tflyer70
From a former XJ'er, all I have to say is best of luck. I just rode ya'all from PHX to TUS, and it was a non-eventful flight. Pleasant staff, and professional from the time I checked in to the time I disembarked. FYI--I saw you just hired our old CEO Foley as your new COO. This may or may not have anything to do with your current situation, but then again I dont believe in fate. You will need to watch him like a hawk. Everything he touches, and I mean EVERYTHING, turns to sh^#! All you have to do is do a google search on him and what he has done-or lack thereof.
Thanks for the advice.

The thread goes into great detail about historical challenges MAG pilots have faced and why their contracts frequently lagged behind industry average. Defeating Freedom, the recession, bankruptcy, etc. However, none of those excuses are valid in 2015 or 2016. The pilot shortage will cripple the current regional model and Mesa may not weather the storm if significant improvements aren't made. It may not weather the storm anyway. Regardless, I'm glad the pilot group stuck to its guns on that vote. If improvements cannot be made in this environment they can never be made, and improvements need to be made.
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