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11-21-2015 | 07:31 AM
#2481
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well said tinman. over the years i've heard plenty of f/os after shooting off their mouth about what a great capt. they'll be bust the upgrade because all their preparation is limited to complaining in the crew room. you'll be one of the ones to get through and make a good capt. keep studying and asking your questions!
11-21-2015 | 08:06 AM
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Pilots have always crapped on those who are "just barely at the mins", forgetting that hours aren't everything, and we are all capable of screwing up.
Hopefully Mesa churns out more CA's like you, though, and that's not a joke. I'm pretty sure I've flown with you and you're top notch, so keep it up.
11-21-2015 | 09:12 AM
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You make a valid point. But let's hate the game for a moment and not the player. One reason folks upgrade at mins is because of Mesa's awful, industry low FO pay. You can disagree with me but it's the truth, and JO has specifically set it up that way. If that weren't the case and I were making $40k plus a year, then I would probably stay an FO for a little while longer as my schedule rocks bidding top 25% in base.
To other reason is career progression, which we all know why. I have given some serious thought into jumping ship and going to another regional with better FO pay, but contributing to management's sadistic whipsaw motives is a last resort for me personally.
That being said I am doing everything I can to be as prepared as possible for upgrade training. I have had the fortunate experience of flying with some very seasoned Captains in PHX. I've had the chance to pick their brains and talk about different scenarios that one might face as a CA. I can count on one hand the number of CAs I've flown with who have been with the company less than 10 years, so again I've been very fortunate to fly with some very experienced and knowledgeable CAs who do everything they can to impart that knowledge to us younger FOs. Also I am transferring to DFW and bidding landings in places like GRR, DSM, and FSD to get experience flying in winter weather.
I can't speak for the FOs you hear bragging about upgrades in the crew room, but I am definitely taking this seriously and want to be as prepared as possible not to just make it through training, but to be a safe and competent CA.
To other reason is career progression, which we all know why. I have given some serious thought into jumping ship and going to another regional with better FO pay, but contributing to management's sadistic whipsaw motives is a last resort for me personally.
That being said I am doing everything I can to be as prepared as possible for upgrade training. I have had the fortunate experience of flying with some very seasoned Captains in PHX. I've had the chance to pick their brains and talk about different scenarios that one might face as a CA. I can count on one hand the number of CAs I've flown with who have been with the company less than 10 years, so again I've been very fortunate to fly with some very experienced and knowledgeable CAs who do everything they can to impart that knowledge to us younger FOs. Also I am transferring to DFW and bidding landings in places like GRR, DSM, and FSD to get experience flying in winter weather.
I can't speak for the FOs you hear bragging about upgrades in the crew room, but I am definitely taking this seriously and want to be as prepared as possible not to just make it through training, but to be a safe and competent CA.
May I also add that as a long term (stuck) FO in PHX, I learned from
EVERY captain I flew with: I would learn lots of good things, AND I'd watch and see $hit from others that I make a mental note to never-ever try to do it that way.
Not to mention any names, but "Pizza Pizza" comes to mind..
11-21-2015 | 10:53 AM
#2484
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From: CRJ FO
So much for people getting off their upgrade/captain soap box.
11-21-2015 | 12:46 PM
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Just read up on CommutAir's pathway program with UAL...#jealous
11-21-2015 | 03:03 PM
#2488
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Schedules are up on CrewWeb
11-21-2015 | 03:27 PM
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To me, saying "I pray for all of you who are at just the minimums and I pray for the people you fly" makes Duct Mon pretty douchy. I guess if he has had first hand experience with the person to whom he was referring, then I made an assumption that was wrong.
Pilots have always crapped on those who are "just barely at the mins", forgetting that hours aren't everything, and we are all capable of screwing up.
Hopefully Mesa churns out more CA's like you, though, and that's not a joke. I'm pretty sure I've flown with you and you're top notch, so keep it up.
Pilots have always crapped on those who are "just barely at the mins", forgetting that hours aren't everything, and we are all capable of screwing up.
Hopefully Mesa churns out more CA's like you, though, and that's not a joke. I'm pretty sure I've flown with you and you're top notch, so keep it up.
I agree with Tinman1. You have the right mindset. And BikingScott, gaining that experience in the winter will be invaluable. These two guys know what it means to be a professional ATP. Their upgrades won't be handed to them at the mins.
All I was saying was there are guys out there and you know who you are that think the only qualification of being a captain are the minimum requirements.
11-21-2015 | 04:01 PM
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I've said this for many years. Those FO's who talk about upgrade and can't decide CRJ or E-Jet are not ready to upgrade. Most of their heads have been stuck up their .... and they haven't been paying attention to learning in the right seat. The FO's who tell me they don't think they are ready, asking me all sorts of questions, wanting feedback, are ready. They get it. You will never know everything and be perfect as a Captain. You just do the best you can.
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