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01-06-2016, 11:23 AM
#3561
sippin' dat koolaid
Joined APC: Jun 2013
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Pretty sure you get paid exactly the amount to which you agreed in exchange for operating an airliner the way you're supposed to. Flying super slow to get paid more is ridiculously unethical and makes you pretty sh^&&y at your job. I f&^*ing hate flying with those guys. Of all the weird, non-standard stuff people do, that one is definitely the most shady.
01-06-2016, 01:17 PM
#3564
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Dec 2010
Posts: 977
Pretty sure you get paid exactly the amount to which you agreed in exchange for operating an airliner the way you're supposed to. Flying super slow to get paid more is ridiculously unethical and makes you pretty sh^&&y at your job. I f&^*ing hate flying with those guys. Of all the weird, non-standard stuff people do, that one is definitely the most shady.
There is no provision in the GOM requiring a pilot to fly faster than Cost Index Econ Speeds. There is no mention of flying/taxiing faster to "help the company out" or help passengers make connections--per the GOM you have the option of flying Cost Index Speeds from the TLR (that's NOT the number on the Nav Plan), or Econ Speeds from the ACARS (also usually lower than the number on the Nav Plan). There isn't even a requirement to fly the faster of those two speeds--it's "either/or." Read the breakdown in the GOM section on the Dispatch Release.
On the EJet, at lower altitudes and/or with a decent tailwind, cost index in the TLR report can be lower than .70. It's almost never faster than .78. Anyone flying .77 and up every leg on the EJet is likely not in compliance with the GOM. Anyone taxiing faster than "a brisk walk" is likely not in compliance with the GOM/FAA guidance on safe taxi speeds.
I do what is safest and I fly in compliance with the GOM/release/FARs. That generates a decent amount of overblock here and there, and should for anyone who is actually flying by the book.
Believe me--the company doesn't actually want you "please sir may I have another" types blasting around at .80 on the EJet, taxiing out at 30-40 knots, and doing "whatever it takes" to get the flight out and in on time. Most of the time you think you're doing the company a favor, "taking a look-see" with bad weather/runways/etc., you're actually doing something that'll get you fired or downgraded the second it goes wrong (and it will).
Get it out of your head that you owe the company anything more than what the manuals, FARs, and contract explicitly say you owe them--please.
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01-06-2016, 02:54 PM
#3566
sippin' dat koolaid
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01-06-2016, 04:27 PM
#3569
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Joined APC: Nov 2013
Posts: 555
Lololol...I'm fairly certain regional airline managements invented the term "ridiculously unethical." Not sure there's any way to apply that term to regional pilots flying by the book to generate a little extra overblock here and there.
There is no provision in the GOM requiring a pilot to fly faster than Cost Index Econ Speeds. There is no mention of flying/taxiing faster to "help the company out" or help passengers make connections--per the GOM you have the option of flying Cost Index Speeds from the TLR (that's NOT the number on the Nav Plan), or Econ Speeds from the ACARS (also usually lower than the number on the Nav Plan). There isn't even a requirement to fly the faster of those two speeds--it's "either/or." Read the breakdown in the GOM section on the Dispatch Release.
On the EJet, at lower altitudes and/or with a decent tailwind, cost index in the TLR report can be lower than .70. It's almost never faster than .78. Anyone flying .77 and up every leg on the EJet is likely not in compliance with the GOM. Anyone taxiing faster than "a brisk walk" is likely not in compliance with the GOM/FAA guidance on safe taxi speeds.
I do what is safest and I fly in compliance with the GOM/release/FARs. That generates a decent amount of overblock here and there, and should for anyone who is actually flying by the book.
Believe me--the company doesn't actually want you "please sir may I have another" types blasting around at .80 on the EJet, taxiing out at 30-40 knots, and doing "whatever it takes" to get the flight out and in on time. Most of the time you think you're doing the company a favor, "taking a look-see" with bad weather/runways/etc., you're actually doing something that'll get you fired or downgraded the second it goes wrong (and it will).
Get it out of your head that you owe the company anything more than what the manuals, FARs, and contract explicitly say you owe them--please.
There is no provision in the GOM requiring a pilot to fly faster than Cost Index Econ Speeds. There is no mention of flying/taxiing faster to "help the company out" or help passengers make connections--per the GOM you have the option of flying Cost Index Speeds from the TLR (that's NOT the number on the Nav Plan), or Econ Speeds from the ACARS (also usually lower than the number on the Nav Plan). There isn't even a requirement to fly the faster of those two speeds--it's "either/or." Read the breakdown in the GOM section on the Dispatch Release.
On the EJet, at lower altitudes and/or with a decent tailwind, cost index in the TLR report can be lower than .70. It's almost never faster than .78. Anyone flying .77 and up every leg on the EJet is likely not in compliance with the GOM. Anyone taxiing faster than "a brisk walk" is likely not in compliance with the GOM/FAA guidance on safe taxi speeds.
I do what is safest and I fly in compliance with the GOM/release/FARs. That generates a decent amount of overblock here and there, and should for anyone who is actually flying by the book.
Believe me--the company doesn't actually want you "please sir may I have another" types blasting around at .80 on the EJet, taxiing out at 30-40 knots, and doing "whatever it takes" to get the flight out and in on time. Most of the time you think you're doing the company a favor, "taking a look-see" with bad weather/runways/etc., you're actually doing something that'll get you fired or downgraded the second it goes wrong (and it will).
Get it out of your head that you owe the company anything more than what the manuals, FARs, and contract explicitly say you owe them--please.
01-06-2016, 07:18 PM
#3570
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Joined APC: Jan 2015
Posts: 1,198
Have you tried taxiing at a brisk walking pace? Hell to the no!
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