Originally Posted by squawkoff

They mock for good reason. This flow carrot has been dangled in front of eagle guys for almost 20 years. Last week I had lunch with a friend that was hired at Eagle in 1999 and he was told then that he would flow to AA in 2 years. When I was hired at Eagle in 2010 I was told I would flow to AA in 2 years. The only reason there is a flow now is because of an arbitrators ruling. The settlement was 824 will flow to AA as a grievance settlement. Right now they're about half way through the 824. PSA flows are outside of a ruling. So far Envoy has not flowed a single pilot because of a labor agreement. If Envoy can't hire enough to replace attrition do you honestly think Parker will park brand new EJets to honor a flow in a labor agreement? Not for a minute.

I will believe a flow when I see it. Right now it seems that history is just repeating itself and still finding suckers.

Originally Posted by squawkoff

They mock for good reason. This flow carrot has been dangled in front of eagle guys for almost 20 years. Last week I had lunch with a friend that was hired at Eagle in 1999 and he was told then that he would flow to AA in 2 years. When I was hired at Eagle in 2010 I was told I would flow to AA in 2 years. The only reason there is a flow now is because of an arbitrators ruling. The settlement was 824 will flow to AA as a grievance settlement. Right now they're about half way through the 824. PSA flows are outside of a ruling. So far Envoy has not flowed a single pilot because of a labor agreement. If Envoy can't hire enough to replace attrition do you honestly think Parker will park brand new EJets to honor a flow in a labor agreement? Not for a minute.

I will believe a flow when I see it. Right now it seems that history is just repeating itself and still finding suckers.

Originally Posted by squawkoff

They mock for good reason. This flow carrot has been dangled in front of eagle guys for almost 20 years. Last week I had lunch with a friend that was hired at Eagle in 1999 and he was told then that he would flow to AA in 2 years. When I was hired at Eagle in 2010 I was told I would flow to AA in 2 years. The only reason there is a flow now is because of an arbitrators ruling. The settlement was 824 will flow to AA as a grievance settlement. Right now they're about half way through the 824. PSA flows are outside of a ruling. So far Envoy has not flowed a single pilot because of a labor agreement. If Envoy can't hire enough to replace attrition do you honestly think Parker will park brand new EJets to honor a flow in a labor agreement? Not for a minute.

I will believe a flow when I see it. Right now it seems that history is just repeating itself and still finding suckers.

Originally Posted by MesaMentor

Anyone else hearing a rumor about a "big announcement" coming Monday?

Originally Posted by PilotJ3

You where told you were going to flow in 2 years in 2010??? Jummmm I don't know why are you saying that, because the protected pilot settlement was in mid 2011. And a 2010 hire is not part of the 824...

2. I'm a 2010 new hire and the only thing they told me was to expect to upgrade in about 3-4 years. Which, if we have kept the same amount of planes it was going to happen. I'm in the low 1400 and the JR CA in 2011 was about seniority 1750-1850.

So...I call BS on this one. A 2010 hire should upgrade sometime this year and we should flow in about 4 years at the worst case. (Unless they stop the flow of course)

Originally Posted by deltajuliet

So, where was there ever an announcement mentioned and what became of it?

Originally Posted by Aviatrx

Is PSA not flowing people? No arbitrated agreement, and they are taking delivery of AAG's new heavy RJ's. I have even heard PSA has had a tough time staffing CA's at times. Eagle did not have flow when I was hired in 2007. We have not had flow for 20 years, it was stopped after the flow backs. It resumed again with the arbitrators ruling in conjunction with AA new hire classes . 911/ and age 65 are what caused stagnation. It is a different time with different circumstances. If AAG does not honor its flow, it's regional infrastructure will crumble. A lot of time and money has been wasted to get to where we are today. Outside of a catastrophic event, you can count on the flow working

Originally Posted by Sniper66

25 CRJ 700s are going away from United Express along with all Q400s and 40 ERJ175s to be add on to comply with scope

How many are going to be from Mesa ?