New Mesa Thread
08-14-2015 | 02:01 PM
#481
sippin' dat koolaid
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From: gear slinger
Not that I was expecting it, but it really would have been nice to have seen min day pay and decent hotel language in this contract. But this is a broke ass company, and I believe ALPA when they say there is no money left.
I'm not opposed at all to voting no at this point. If those running the company can't do so in such a manner as to provide industry average (or damn close) pay and work rules, then maybe the company shouldn't have the privilege of keeping its doors open per our own vote. I don't want to lose my job but I also don't want to consciously support a broken and inept business model.
But then again "sticking it to the man" and making lateral moves don't do much good for anyone.
I'm not opposed at all to voting no at this point. If those running the company can't do so in such a manner as to provide industry average (or damn close) pay and work rules, then maybe the company shouldn't have the privilege of keeping its doors open per our own vote. I don't want to lose my job but I also don't want to consciously support a broken and inept business model.
But then again "sticking it to the man" and making lateral moves don't do much good for anyone.
08-14-2015 | 02:28 PM
#483
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Oh--that's right--Bedford is simply giving back the flying he can't staff affordably, rather than giving his pilots a raise, or going to mainline and asking for more money.
08-14-2015 | 02:33 PM
#485
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From: 175 Left
In my experience I will tell you what will happen if we vote no too!
1) We will make the news as yet another pilot group not willing to work for nothing.
2) Once the airplane deliveries stop, no matter if we vote yes or no, and the FO's we currently have realize they won't get an upgrade and have to live under poverty wages, they will start to go to PSA, etc., cancellations will start due to lack of crew. Mesa will panic. They will do one of two things. Tell United and American we need more money, or two, send those planes to another regional. Gonna happen either way. By voting yes, guys still are not going to want to work here. So it does not matter. We would need a MUCH better FO pay scale for guys to stay. This is why we need to vote no until our FO pay matches the others.
3) Flaps will be downgraded back to the right seat if he ever makes it in the left.
4) Senior lifers do care that the FO's hold out for better too. It benefits all of us both now and in the long run. Its guys like Flaps who want you to vote the same as him (yes) so you help benefit him and get him is upgrade, but meanwhile selling out the rest.
5) The majors are almost maxed out on scope so they would just start sending planes from one to the next but as a FO if you jump ship, will you be able to climb that huge FO list to get that upgrade in time before cancellations at that new regional keep you at the bottom? Your best bet is to finish climbing the ladder at Mesa and because you can right now, hold out for better pay.
6) We don't need to go on strike. The cancellations from both Captains and FO's leaving will have the same effect.
7) Senior Captains were also once FO's and also once on Reserve. They want you to have better, not worse.
1) We will make the news as yet another pilot group not willing to work for nothing.
2) Once the airplane deliveries stop, no matter if we vote yes or no, and the FO's we currently have realize they won't get an upgrade and have to live under poverty wages, they will start to go to PSA, etc., cancellations will start due to lack of crew. Mesa will panic. They will do one of two things. Tell United and American we need more money, or two, send those planes to another regional. Gonna happen either way. By voting yes, guys still are not going to want to work here. So it does not matter. We would need a MUCH better FO pay scale for guys to stay. This is why we need to vote no until our FO pay matches the others.
3) Flaps will be downgraded back to the right seat if he ever makes it in the left.
4) Senior lifers do care that the FO's hold out for better too. It benefits all of us both now and in the long run. Its guys like Flaps who want you to vote the same as him (yes) so you help benefit him and get him is upgrade, but meanwhile selling out the rest.
5) The majors are almost maxed out on scope so they would just start sending planes from one to the next but as a FO if you jump ship, will you be able to climb that huge FO list to get that upgrade in time before cancellations at that new regional keep you at the bottom? Your best bet is to finish climbing the ladder at Mesa and because you can right now, hold out for better pay.
6) We don't need to go on strike. The cancellations from both Captains and FO's leaving will have the same effect.
7) Senior Captains were also once FO's and also once on Reserve. They want you to have better, not worse.
Might as well throw in a national senority list as your #8. lol.
08-14-2015 | 02:37 PM
#487
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From: 175 Left
In a weird twist of events, facebiter hits the nail ON THE HEAD on why Mesa has no money to offer us more than this.....
08-14-2015 | 02:52 PM
#488
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TA language is available now
08-14-2015 | 02:56 PM
#489
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From: 175 Left
Nobody expected it to be good bro? Everybody knew itd be ****. Everybody knows the only reason most people are here is because nobody could get out during the lost decade. And uhhh yeah it needs to burn down. If mesa didnt exist because of ****ty pay rates the next company would have to do something different. So yeah. Vote NO. Because ******* this place and we shouldnt stand for it. JO is laughing at you bro. You know that right? He couldnt give a damn if you feed your kids. He couldnt give a damn if you pay your bills. He is laughing at all of us for agreeing to this. Lmfao best we can get? Uhh right....well hey guess what! Best the MEC can get isnt good enough and actually no thanks. Heres your instability JO...goodluck taking it public and bailing.
Fffffff uuuuuuuuuuu
#votenoandcallinsick
Fffffff uuuuuuuuuuu
#votenoandcallinsick
Mesa hasn't even pulled hiring bonuses out of it's pocket, once they do that coupled with the more EJETs announcement you better bet there will be pilots lining up to take your IAD CRJ FO seat, hell I fly with them everyday outta IAH, right off IOE.
You guys need to wait to read the actual TA. I'm worried that a lot of you won't even do your due diligence, because you guy's have been so brain washed by the senior CAs with the GEDs/High School diploma only education saying F Mesa unless it's XJT rates forget it.
You guys understand what it means when independent CPAs audit the books and say there is no money, right? Oh that's right they were all paid off by JO to say that......
Mainline DOESN'T like Mesa. We are the rag tag group of the regionals. The only reason we get flying is because we under bid EVERYONE. Funny even facebiter gets it. Yet you guys don't.
There's a reason most of you reading this were hired over the phone. Don't
forget that.
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