Comes down to this. If you have a job to do and can't do it well, don't take the job. If you can't negotiate a contract then you don't need to be a part of the mec. Harsh but that's life. If this airline can not fly trips and pay a slightly less than avrage wage they don't need to exist. When does this come out for a vote any way. Haven't seen any announcements yet.

 

I'm curious why do you have a soft side for the mec? I have nothing against them but I surly could not have the pitty you back them up with. Why so compassionate?

 

Dident? Really? Based on this and several of your other posts, please abstain from voting on the contract and the next presidential election.

#hillaryforprison2016

PS: If you are planning to vote "no" on the contract, then please vote.

I'm mostly joking. Sort of...

Make America great again. Vote no.

 

People like you make me sick. Stand up for yourself, mesa takes this industry backwards all the time. This contract seems like a bully picking on nerds, the nerds will vote yes because of the tail between their legs.

 

wow, that TA is really crappy. It's a shame that's what they think of you guys and that's all your worth. Not even 100% deadhead pay or 1.65 regional standard per diem....I'd vote "h.ell no!"

You are all just as qualified as any mainline pilot; demand more, fight for what you're worth.

 

Delta voted no on a 20% pay raise, they realized that the rest of contract was less than their worth. Sack up like they did.

 

Fair enough. It's not even my biggest beef I'm a lot more unhappy about the time balancing for reserves. If I could take a red pen and cross out 3 or 4 paragraphs I might vote yes but as it stands the union guys are going to have to do one heck of a sales job if they want this to pass.

 

Are you saying you would re-vote in our current contract? That's all crossing out 3-4 paragraphs would effectively do. FO pay is less than a dollar raise. $0.29 raise for 2nd year FOs and I think $0.20 for 3rd year FOs. Captain pay isn't really increased either. Our basis for negotiation should be 700 pay at 700 rates and 175/900 pay at 79 seat pay effective now and increasing a decent amount for the next 5 years. Don't spend all that extra money in one place!

The only appreciable increase in pay comes from elimination of 50 seat base pay, which JO should be embarrassed about anyway for his redefining of the word stingy. Same with KCM. Those shouldn't even be points of negotiation or considered wins for the negotiating committee. Those are bare bones standard rewrites of definitions and closing of loopholes management has boned us with, not an increase in anything.

So where are we at? No realized gains (even some losses) in the reserve language, a lot of vagueness that the company will exploit, and no real pay raises.

Why am I going to vote this in again? How much more money will be in my pocket each year if we vote it in vs not? I'll tell you what, my principles and standing for who we are and what we are worth as professional aviators are worth far more than what that (small) number would be.

 

My hope was that we would all go up to the current CRJ900 pay scale immediately and get incremental raises after that. What we got is 4 years just to bring everyone up to the current 900 scale. That sucks but I would have at least entertained it in exchange for big QOL improvements. But I'm not seeing any improvements there are simply too many loopholes. If I could eliminate the loopholes and maybe add some stronger language we might have something to work with but that's purely hypothetical. Anyway the point is we have what we have and will have to vote up or down on the whole package the way it is currently written, not the way we wish it was written. -And yes the FO pay is crap.

 

Mod Note:

Ok boys and girls. It's late over here in little old Seattle and I thought I would check on you before going for much needed beauty sleep. And what do I find? Profanity and the usual kindergarten my pee pee is bigger than yours, etc etc.

I'm on my worthless tablet so can only delete those posts I find objectionable. If any of them was yours and you'd like to repost, do so after cleaning it up. Tomorrow, however, I am back on the computer and won't be as forgiving.