Maybe I am wrong, we shall see. But I'm just going off of the impression I get from flying with a lot of the lifer CAs in PHX. They are nice guys, but most of them are "company men" just like that guy in the video who has been here since 1983 and doesn't plan on leaving. They don't want to rock the boat because with that kind of longevity and years remaining to retirement, they are better off sticking it out here until the end and taking whatever they can get in the process.

Also I've been accused of having a bad attitude by some of these guys because I think we should get paid more and see things like min day pay and better work rules spelled out in our contract. I always get the same "you should just be happy to be here flying a large regional jet" type response. Now I could be wrong but I feel that most of these types will be voting yes.

 

Interesting. I haven't flown with any yes voter captains in Phoenix but I did find one in passing. Most have been adamant no voters ****ed they even saw the contract. Flew with a guy today who hadn't read it yet but had heard a few of the things we still don't have in it and was probably voting no accordingly. The one apparent yes voter was a former union guy and is a company guy.

I think the super senior company guys are far fewer than those who are still bitter about being the lowest paid regional guys in the lost decade and are trying to for once have a decent contract. This new one isn't much of a financial or QOL gain (and is worse in some ways). Most I've talked to see no reason to lock in at least 5 more years of this same substandard nonsense.

 

I definitely agree. The senior CAs I was referencing are hopefully few and far between.

 

Heck, I could finish my 12 months and jump ship to Endeavor and get a pay raise (factoring in bonuses).

 

Might I remind everyone about this term of 5 years on the new contract. In 4 1/2 years we will negotiate a new one. So that means if you vote yes to this awful contract you'll have to live with it for almost 10 whole f-ing years. Because, you know mgmt will drag this lower than low contract out as much as possible. Good luck with that garbage. Vote NO

 

You could not finish your 12 months and be even farther ahead...any bonus that every other regional has will cover the training contract, and their better pay will cover your loss of longevity at Mesa. Also: "The monetary balance of any training agreement shall be reduced by fifty percent (50%) provided the pilot gives the Company forty-five (45) days notice prior to resignation."

Unless JO announces new flying soon, regardless of this vote (unless a landslide no results in a fairly quick TA2 that is more acceptable), a ton of FOs are going to bail and no one will show up for class except a few guys who live in PHX/IAH/DFW/IAD. This could turn real ugly real quick (which is why all this bad language in the TA can and will affect us). But the new flying he will announce will not be enough to stop the future bleeding IMO.

 

Lot of drama on this thread for a TA that hasn't even been voted down yet lol.

 

Yeah...have you read the TA? It is out, and should elicit this kind of response with how bad it is. Contract content drives this response and ensuing internet rants, not the vote. The vote is the result of people's reaction to the content.

 

From the TA FAQs:
Why can’t reserves pick up flying on Red Flag Days?
As long as it’s not a day off you can. Allowing a reserve to pick up flying on a day off could possibly interfere with FAR 117 legality.

Currently, both on reserve or as a line holder I can pick up flying on my days off. How does this answer make sense? I can't even find it in the new contract.

On a related note, what chaps me is that whole belief that reserves shouldn't be able to pick up needed flying on days off. We get emails from CPO asking us to pick up premium trips but we can't pick them up if we are on reserve because of the potential of running into 117 issues.. When I've been a line holder I am closer to busting 117 rules than when I've been on reserve if I were to pick up trips on days off.

 

Better off in many cases, actually.