Grumble

Anyone that requires mental counceling shouldn't hold a medical. It's that way for the Military. You see a head shrink for anything like this, automatic 12 months med down.

Granted we're talking about serious personality issues. Seeing a councelor for marraige, death, etc., obviously doesn't count. Not to say those stresses don't contribute to the risk management, but Tim is playing a whole different ball game in this regard.

exeagle

Does anyone have a copy of this article? I threw mine out as usual and it's been removed from the alpa pdf file.

CommutR4Life

Timmahy DOESN'T have to come to APC, BAseOps, F-book, or any of the other dozen internet sites and read all of this. Its not Bullying; no one is chasing him around or forcing him to go online. I love the stuff people are coming up with! such talent among us!

UAL T38 Phlyer

I've become lactose-intolerant.

kalyx522

I mentioned it probably a dozen or two pages ago because I noticed the similiarity as well, that 705 also started with the the FE being busted for exaggerating his work history/experience or something to that effect. I was a child at the time the FedEx 705 happened so I never knew about it until recently. Just unreal, I could not stop thinking about it for a few days.
A couple people mentioned suicide... I would be more worried about something like 705 where he hurts other people (specifically, as many people as his embraer holds). If he lied about all this crap you have no idea what other flying qualifications/history/experience he lied about. Worse, if he is deranged enough to lie to the extent that he did, you don't know what else he is capable of. I'm sure NO ONE could've expected in their wildest imaginations what Calloway ended up doing. Not saying Martins will do what Calloway did, because that is pretty damn horrific, but my point is that no one knows what people like him are capable of... and I don't like that uncertainty/unreliability in a person controlling airplanes full of people.

Phantom Flyer

Thank You Yamahas3. Best summation to date and right on target.

It will interesting to see what comes out of Capt. Prater's office, if they have the guts to admit they screwed up so badly. We'll probably see a lame excuse blaming a staff member "who has been counseled".

In all my years of being associated with ALPA, this has to be the biggest embarrassment and the best reason to do away with 535 Herndon Parkway and everyone who works in that building !

G'riddance Mr. Prater !

Phantom Flyer

You can't destroy Superman !

Fishfreighter

While I agree that this is a gross embarrassment, I can't go as far as you in throwing the baby out with the bathwater.

The ALPA mag can go for sure. And perhaps Jan Steenblik can go as well. But using this as a justification to dump ALPA is WAY over the top.

vagabond

What are your ideas? There is no question that the Tim Martins episode served partly to expose some serious systemic problem at ALPA National. Can and should all blame be placed on Prater and Sluys? How would kicking Steenblik out solve longstanding and perhaps even intractable problems?

USMCFLYR

I don't know much about the reporter business - but I would expect the actual reporter to be held accountable for the story. If the reporter were FORCED to write something untrue then I would expect the reporter to either refuse to put their name to it (a little integrity here), or if the story was edited with all of those inaccuracies after turning it in, then I would expect the reporter to say as much. I doubt that he would be/should be fired, but some type of punishment for a reporter for turns in such a piece of fantasy should share in a different blame game. Tim's problems were solely of his own making and are a separate problem in my opinion.

USMCFLYR