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Old 04-01-2010 | 02:46 PM
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Originally Posted by BHopper88
I am just saying at what point does it go to far? Would any of you feel good if we find out that we pushed Tim too far and he did something like suicide? Look the guy created a HUGE FRAUD, and needs to get punished, and will likely never be able to fly as a professional pilot again due to his now GLOBAL reputation. But at the same time needs to get some mental help
You answered your own question, if he doesn't have the intestinal fortitude lay day in the grave he dug and does something stupid like off himself, then he was never mentally stable enough to be flying paying passengers in the first place.
Old 04-01-2010 | 02:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Spooge
The thing that really jumps out at me, but I don't think anyone has mentioned here, is the similarity between Mr. Martins and the FedEx 705 jumpseater. With that in mind, I cannot understand how AE allowed him to fly a turn yesterday. [edit; security issue].
They probably didn't get enough factual info to take action. They can't just pull him offline because some people posted some things on baseops.

But I agree with BHopper88...now that it's apparent what kind of issues the guy must have, it's not funny anymore. I'm not going to close the thread but lets think of our own dignity here.
Old 04-01-2010 | 03:05 PM
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Originally Posted by BHopper88
This guy was a complete idiot and deserves all the attention he is getting. I am just asking what the limit is in "destroying" Tim as a person.
I agree with you, he deserves all the attention he is getting, hopefully to correct his problem with lying. Bullying is a different story....Maybe managment will force him to check into some kind of counseling program and complete it prior to returning for duty.
Old 04-01-2010 | 03:13 PM
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Originally Posted by meeko031
I agree with you, he deserves all the attention he is getting, hopefully to correct his problem with lying. Bullying is a different story....Maybe managment will force him to check into some kind of counseling program and complete it prior to returning for duty.
Anyone that requires mental counceling shouldn't hold a medical. It's that way for the Military. You see a head shrink for anything like this, automatic 12 months med down.

Granted we're talking about serious personality issues. Seeing a councelor for marraige, death, etc., obviously doesn't count. Not to say those stresses don't contribute to the risk management, but Tim is playing a whole different ball game in this regard.
Old 04-01-2010 | 03:41 PM
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Does anyone have a copy of this article? I threw mine out as usual and it's been removed from the alpa pdf file.
Old 04-01-2010 | 05:04 PM
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Originally Posted by BHopper88
I am not saying anyone should accept his apology. This guy was a complete idiot and deserves all the attention he is getting. Dont get me wrong, all the stuff that people created has been hilarious. At what point does it go from making this guy feel shame to bullying? This guy will prob never sit in the flight deck, and rightfully shouldn't.

For the most part WE AS PILOTS and those in the military community have done what should have been done, expose the pilot for his fraud and lies, make him feel shame in what he did, and for the most part he will prob never fly for an airline again.

I am just asking what the limit is in "destroying" Tim as a person.
Timmahy DOESN'T have to come to APC, BAseOps, F-book, or any of the other dozen internet sites and read all of this. Its not Bullying; no one is chasing him around or forcing him to go online. I love the stuff people are coming up with! such talent among us!
Old 04-01-2010 | 05:10 PM
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Old 04-01-2010 | 07:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Spooge
The thing that really jumps out at me, but I don't think anyone has mentioned here, is the similarity between Mr. Martins and the FedEx 705 jumpseater.
I mentioned it probably a dozen or two pages ago because I noticed the similiarity as well, that 705 also started with the the FE being busted for exaggerating his work history/experience or something to that effect. I was a child at the time the FedEx 705 happened so I never knew about it until recently. Just unreal, I could not stop thinking about it for a few days.
A couple people mentioned suicide... I would be more worried about something like 705 where he hurts other people (specifically, as many people as his embraer holds). If he lied about all this crap you have no idea what other flying qualifications/history/experience he lied about. Worse, if he is deranged enough to lie to the extent that he did, you don't know what else he is capable of. I'm sure NO ONE could've expected in their wildest imaginations what Calloway ended up doing. Not saying Martins will do what Calloway did, because that is pretty damn horrific, but my point is that no one knows what people like him are capable of... and I don't like that uncertainty/unreliability in a person controlling airplanes full of people.
Old 04-01-2010 | 07:30 PM
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Originally Posted by yamahas3
Whats even more ridiculous about this than the guy's lies are that ALPA wrote a story on him without ever checking out any of it. I'd more embarrassed to have ALPA as a union than this pilot as a fellow coworker.

There will ALWAYS be people who lie and cheat. But there doesn't have to be a union so spineless that they let it happen through ineptitude.
Thank You Yamahas3. Best summation to date and right on target.

It will interesting to see what comes out of Capt. Prater's office, if they have the guts to admit they screwed up so badly. We'll probably see a lame excuse blaming a staff member "who has been counseled".

In all my years of being associated with ALPA, this has to be the biggest embarrassment and the best reason to do away with 535 Herndon Parkway and everyone who works in that building !

G'riddance Mr. Prater !
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Originally Posted by BHopper88
I am just asking what the limit is in "destroying" Tim as a person.
You can't destroy Superman !
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