tahoejace

Totally agree. I figure my time the same way. Much easier to explain in an interview, too.

MikeF16

Great thread. In trainers/fighters you get other time for sand bagging. I always considered this dual-received since the flights often packed in more learning then if I was actually on the syllabus sortie. Based on these inputs sounds like its better to just leave it off, which ended up costing me about 1% of my hours, at least none of it was PIC that I lost. Funny to think back that 1% of my flying was sand bagging .

ExE3toUAL

Don't know if this will help....but for my interview, I just wrote an addendum saying how I attributed "other time". Most of it I threw out, but about 10% I took credit for as PIC b/c I was the IP with the A code sitting in back with other IPs on board.

As long as you explain how you logged it, that is what they care about. They want to know you aren't padding your books, which as a military guy you aren't more than likely. Just be honest and explain....no one checks civilian time logging or their books.

USMCFLYR

And what do you mean sandbagging in this way?
Scenario: You ride in the back seat of an instructional flight with the IP - who happen to have a back seat open. You basically just rode along - you are saying this is sandbagging and logged as what the AF calls 'Other' time which isn't much use for anything?

Cookenbauer

I would have thought this to be a fairly simply process...although I know there is gouge all over the place so it can get confusing. I'm from an E-6B Background and almost all of my flights were augmented.

Typically, we were 3 piloted. So on an 8 hour flight...we usually divided up the junior 3/2P's getting 40% of the flight time and 20% went to the A/C. So the 3/2P's got 3.2 of 1st pilot and 3.2 in second pilot...giving a grand total of 6.4 hours of flight time. The AC get's 1.6 and 1.6 respectively..giving him 3.2 hours. That is a very common flight logged in my records.

The AC get's 8 hours of PIC time. So my totals were 3.2 and 8 for their own categories. Only logging 3.2 PIC time is absurd in my opinion (no disrespect intended). Who was in charge of the flight for the rest of the 4.8 hours? For all intents and purposes..PIC doesn't correlate with being at the controls. It is for being responsible for that entire flight/sortie...and in this case it was 8.0 hours worth.

As for the other time...I don't count it, UNLESS an airline specifically says it is ok. But that seems to be the exception rather than the norm. Just my 2 cents. I'm also still in the Navy so I by no means count myself a subject matter expert.

Rhino12

Every interview I have been to no one has second guessed my flying history report. With MP, IP, and EP time in 2 jets with a few thousand hours they didn't even bat an eyelash or ask..."can you explain this for me?" One interview was with WN.

Has anyone that interviewed at DAL, UCAL, FDX had a different experience? These folks don't seem to care how you constructed your time when you bring in your FHR. But I do agree...if your looking for the magic 1000 TPIC "other" time should not be counted.

Rhino12

"You're"...my apologies.

KC10 FATboy

For WN, did you use Other time? They're one of those airlines that say not to on their website.

I've interviewed with three major airlines. To answer your question, nobody second guessed my flying time during the actual interview. I did have one question about what a particular type of airplane was that I had flown.

However, every company I interviewed with either requested copies of flight records before the interview, or requested copies to keep during the interview. I believe after a conditional offer is given, they vet you with your previous company/unit and they check your totals. I know two airlines called my Stan/Eval shop.

A close friend of mine interviewed with UPS said he was asked about his flying time and how he calculated it. They were receptive to his explanation and that was the end of it.

I think if you are one of those guys using Other time to meet the minimums, you're going to get some push back on that.

I applied to Atlas and sent an email to their hiring department asking them about their stance on Other time. (after all their website said to email if you had a question) I never heard from them.

CheapTrick

For what it is worth, 23 years ago my special crew time was annotated on my resume just because. DAL did not care nor did I. We both knew that it did not count for squat but it was in the logbook so I threw it on there. My interviewer(s) never picked up my logbook or questioned my totals. It was military time so extreme padding or exaggerating quals was unlikely. The civilians I interviewed with experienced the opposite as their logbooks were opened and many questions were asked.

My opinion based on my old experience is that if you have the flight time to get an interview, then no one is going to pick apart a military logbook of flight time logsheet. Nor will they care about "special crew" or "other" time. You might get a cursory flight time question but probably not. Once you are in the door, sell yourself as a regular joe professional who wants to work among professionals in a conscientious way.

ExE3toUAL

Rhino,

Interviewed with UA in May....accepted a conditional offer. They never once asked about my time. I explained the best I could and hoped it was good enough for them. I haven't heard of anyone calling to check my times. As long as you aren't trying to hide anything, I do not think they care. You provide your flight totals and they can interpret however they want.....just my 2 cents.