USAF Flight Time
05-10-2013, 05:38 PM
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How are Navy/MC pilots logging instructor time? I am fleet instructor, not FRS, and generally give T&R codes on every flight. Also, are IP's breaking down instructor time separate from evaluation time? It seems like the AF has a funky way they log hours, but at least they account for instructor time. I would assume every flight that I instruct a T&R event that I could log instructor time as well.
05-10-2013, 05:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Adlerdriver
You don't need a logbook for your mil time. Obviously you'll need one for any civilian time you're putting on apps (ATP training/checkride).
3 airline interviews - hired at each one. I showed up with my flight records (the print-outs with each flight since you started in the military) along with the summary sheet (that you sign each time you do your audit). I put a cover page in that explained whatever mil conversion factor I used, adjustments for that airline's PIC rules and how I came up with my PIC total and whatever other flight time category they ask for.
There's nothing wrong with putting your mil time in a logbook but it's not a very good use of time. Airlines define PIC differently and allow different conversions for mil time. So, unless you create a logbook specific to each airline you apply to, you're going to have to tweak the times and justify them to each airline anyway.
3 airline interviews - hired at each one. I showed up with my flight records (the print-outs with each flight since you started in the military) along with the summary sheet (that you sign each time you do your audit). I put a cover page in that explained whatever mil conversion factor I used, adjustments for that airline's PIC rules and how I came up with my PIC total and whatever other flight time category they ask for.
There's nothing wrong with putting your mil time in a logbook but it's not a very good use of time. Airlines define PIC differently and allow different conversions for mil time. So, unless you create a logbook specific to each airline you apply to, you're going to have to tweak the times and justify them to each airline anyway.
Hired at 2 Major Airlines. Make a nice binder. Put 8 - 12 tabs in there, with an index page in front. Suck up a bit, and put a picture of the airline's airplane on the front of your binder (You are trying to get hired).
Include in this binder copies of your FAA Certs, Medical, Passport. Any rec letters, college transcripts, awards, etc.
Also include an easy to understand explanation of your time: how much multi sic. How much multi pic. How much instrument. How much night. Etc. Don't make the interviewer have to dig for that stuff. Make it easy for him. He shouldn't need to crack open your USAF record at all. I also had everything, including mil, in Jeppesen Professional Logbooks, five of them, but those aren't necessary if you have no civilian time.
Good luck!
05-10-2013, 05:52 PM
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We log it as "I" time in SHARP and it shows up on the NAVFLIR, but there isn't a column for it in our logbooks. I usually just make a remark so that I can remember.
Anything where I have a student upgrading (fleet upgrade to level 200, 300, etc) and flights that I did in the tracom with students I log as I time. We also do "route checks" where a new AC is signing for the jet but we are riding along to supervise. I that case, I also log I time which I then count as PIC time in my civilian log.
Anything where I have a student upgrading (fleet upgrade to level 200, 300, etc) and flights that I did in the tracom with students I log as I time. We also do "route checks" where a new AC is signing for the jet but we are riding along to supervise. I that case, I also log I time which I then count as PIC time in my civilian log.
05-10-2013, 06:12 PM
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Thanks. MSHARP (USMC) doesn't have instructor time. I will have to painfully go back and account for the instructor time somehow. Also, can I log PIC if I am an evaluator not in the front seats (C130) even though I didn't sign the part A?
05-10-2013, 06:14 PM
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Originally Posted by tennfly2
Thanks. MSHARP (USMC) doesn't have instructor time. I will have to painfully go back and account for the instructor time somehow. Also, can I log PIC if I am an evaluator not in the front seats (C130) even though I didn't sign the part A?
05-10-2013, 06:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Stifler
Primary/Secondary/Other/IP/EP hours are all separate (your total time in flight records will equal the sum), but depending on the aircraft/situation, IP/EP hours are probably PIC time in the eyes of the FAA...if that's where your question was leading.
05-10-2013, 06:24 PM
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Originally Posted by highsky
Either way, if you're evaluating, you're in command, because you have the authority to remove the guy flying from being in command. I'd count it as PIC.
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