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05-12-2013 | 04:41 AM
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Highsky, you used other time as PIC and got hired by UPS? I can't disagree that KC10 is being super safe, but when I spend 12 days on the road as the a-code, and fly 50 hours, being able to put only a third or maybe even a quarter of that (if there's a 4th pilot) in my logbook seems unreasonable. Someone is always in command. That seems very explainable to me.
05-12-2013 | 02:15 PM
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Highsky, you used other time as PIC and got hired by UPS? I can't disagree that KC10 is being super safe, but when I spend 12 days on the road as the a-code, and fly 50 hours, being able to put only a third or maybe even a quarter of that (if there's a 4th pilot) in my logbook seems unreasonable. Someone is always in command. That seems very explainable to me.
then
Primary + Secondary + Other = PIC
If I do NOT have the A, I, or E Code,
then
Primary + Secondary = SIC
Primary + Secondary + Other = Total Time (always)
That's how I did it for both Northwest and UPS, and was hired at both.
05-12-2013 | 02:26 PM
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The key is being able to explain how you came up with your figures. There are going to be variations in how everyone logs their time. Don't make anything up, make sure the numbers add up, and if anything looks weird, better to explain it in the remarks column to take away doubt and jog your own memory.
If you are logging your PIC time any other way, you are cheating yourself.
05-12-2013 | 02:41 PM
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I remember from my C-5 missions, especially prior to 911, we used to send missions out sometimes with both an AC and an IP coded on the Flight Orders, even if no one needed much "instructing." That way TWO guys get to log the ENTIRE mission as PIC.
05-12-2013 | 04:24 PM
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That might just be a violation of 60-1; being coded as an IP required a training event or a non-current crew member regaining currency.
Basically, the same as under FAR 61 interpretations, an instructor can't log "dual given" merely for the purpose of fattening the logbook.
GF
Basically, the same as under FAR 61 interpretations, an instructor can't log "dual given" merely for the purpose of fattening the logbook.
GF
05-12-2013 | 04:58 PM
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That might just be a violation of 60-1; being coded as an IP required a training event or a non-current crew member regaining currency.
Basically, the same as under FAR 61 interpretations, an instructor can't log "dual given" merely for the purpose of fattening the logbook.
GF
Basically, the same as under FAR 61 interpretations, an instructor can't log "dual given" merely for the purpose of fattening the logbook.
GF
It's really not too hard to come up with some valid excuse though. Get a big C-5 crew together, and someone will be non-current for something. Or the copilots can receive "Upgrade" Training. The airline interviewer will NEVER investigate this issue.
How could he anyway?
05-13-2013 | 03:56 AM
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That might just be a violation of 60-1; being coded as an IP required a training event or a non-current crew member regaining currency.
Basically, the same as under FAR 61 interpretations, an instructor can't log "dual given" merely for the purpose of fattening thejjlogbook.
GF
Basically, the same as under FAR 61 interpretations, an instructor can't log "dual given" merely for the purpose of fattening thejjlogbook.
GF
It's a different mentality. I've posted similar to what you've posted based on the ethical side of the equation - the counter I always get is it's valid under 11-401 (60-1 for those of us who remember AFRs). They get indignant about it too...
05-14-2013 | 07:44 AM
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Please know I'm not suggesting you lie. I'm just suggesting your schedulers discover some military training that needs to be accomplished with your crew.
We're talking about the military. Training is ALWAYS in progress. No one knows everything.
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