Amen Brother. More power to you.

There is NOTHING unethical about anything I've suggested.

 

I think you guys are making a couple of assumptions that may not be true.

All these posts are assuming that your airline interviewer is a civilian only pilot and has no knowledge of how the military logs flight time. I'll tell you that you have a better than even shot of having a former (or current) military guy sitting across the table from you when you are interviewing. They'll know if you're trying to pull the wool over their eyes.

Besides, Southwest doesn't even allow you to count "Other" time.

One of my best friends is on the interview team at a major airline. He has a T-tail and T-37 IP background Active Duty and flew KC-135s in the Guard. I asked him what would he say if an Air Force guy came to him and had logged 100% of Primary, Secondary and Other from their AC checkride until the interview. He said he would "investigate" a little further. He understands that an A-coded AC is still the PIC even when logging "Other" time. But he also knows that you were probably not the A-code on every single sortie since you were an aircraft commander. He knows that you probably flew with a more senior AC or IP and were not A-coded for that local trainer or overseas sortie.

His big advice was to not screw yourself, but be realistic when logging the time.

When we were getting out, we used a formula like this:

Military Jet (Transport) PIC = 95% of (AC Primary + AC Secondary Time) + All Instructor Time
Military Jet (Transport) SIC = 5% of (AC Primary + AC Secondary Time) + CO (Primary + Secondary Time)

Military Jet (Tactical) PIC = 75% of (Primary + Secondary Time) + All Instructor Time
Military Jet (Tactical) SIC = 25% of (Primary + Secondary Time)

I may have been a little conservative by throwing out Other time, but in four airline interviews, not one question about my flight time.

My 2¢, it's worth about what you paid for it.

Sluggo

 

Agree with your Post. I think you short-stroked yourself on the Other Time though. (I can't speak for SWA)

I've heard of both military and civilan guys with traditional logbooks getting in trouble with the interviewer, with the notes they have made for each flight.

For example, one guy said he never busted a check, then the interviewer, mil guy, called him out on the "89" remark he had written next to that sortie. He did not get hired.

 

All good reasons for why I keep a column of time in my logbook for when I was the A-code. Nearly all the 781s are in a folder in my basement if an interviewer would like to verify my log. Too many Air Force pilots are happy to let Big Blue track their time for them and don't give a personal logbook a second thought.

 

I do the same thing. I know it sounds lame, but I have the FA and 781 from every single sortie I was the A-code across three different aircraft (non-fighter guy). I do not trust the AF to track that for me. Due to flying multiple MWS platforms, my time is lower (2000ish) than most of my peers who've been in heavies (3000-3500ish), so every bit of PIC counts.

I'll include my UPT time and civilian time only in total time; I'm guessing the airlines only care about RATED PIC.

 

I log civilian time the same as my mil time, although it's not a significant amount (~100-120 hours).

UPT time is logged as "dual", unless I was solo (that's still technically PIC).

I do not use "Other" time specifically to avoid the controversy above.

 

Thoughts on this? I have one Q-3 and one Q-2 out of my 35+ checkride summary sheet. On my apps I put I had failed one checkride. OK?

 

Technically a Q-2 is a pass, I wouldn't count it as a bust.

 

"Other time" is not flight time for civilian purposes. This used to be common knowledge.

 

Appreciate input on time calculations--For AC/IP time, I am now using 95% of C-21, 80% of C-141, and 60% of C-17. Otherwise I had 800 hours of SIC and 3,100 of PIC which looked a little skewed since I have no official copilot time after I left C-21s.