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05-03-2019, 10:20 AM
#361
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Originally Posted by Macjet
Saying offensive words isn't a crime. It might make the guy an intolerable human being but he's free to say what he wants on his time and his dime. He can be abusive to his kids, his wife, and an A hole to his neighbors too but that isn't justification for termination. He has the right to be a racist, a homophobe, a Democrat, a MAGA hat, Klan, or Antifa. But until he commits an actual crime, and being a racist A hole isn't one, then NJA doesn't have legal grounds (even if the social media crowd is triggered) to fire the guy.
05-03-2019, 03:41 PM
#362
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Originally Posted by Macjet
And that applies to time away from work while not in uniform in your own vehicle? This sounds more encompassing than the UCMJ.
05-03-2019, 03:44 PM
#363
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Originally Posted by bombachica
As offensive and inappropriate as the footage is, is what the former NJA pilot did even illegal? Did he commit a crime? For all we know he could have been under the influence (again) when he was recorded.
Compared to what NJASAP allegedly did (mail fraud, harassment) regarding the FlexJet union decert, why would a union member not be given full representation while the union can defend it's own immoral/illegal behavior no questions asked?
Such is NJA. Harassment is part of the culture, harassment is encouraged and tolerated at times.
It's a shame too, there is no doubt in my mind NJA can be the best job in the industry, but the culture is dysfunctional and toxic.
What happened in Chicago is not surprising. Such behavior is tolerated from the top down, whether it be management or the pilot group.
Compared to what NJASAP allegedly did (mail fraud, harassment) regarding the FlexJet union decert, why would a union member not be given full representation while the union can defend it's own immoral/illegal behavior no questions asked?
Such is NJA. Harassment is part of the culture, harassment is encouraged and tolerated at times.
It's a shame too, there is no doubt in my mind NJA can be the best job in the industry, but the culture is dysfunctional and toxic.
What happened in Chicago is not surprising. Such behavior is tolerated from the top down, whether it be management or the pilot group.
05-03-2019, 04:16 PM
#364
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Originally Posted by Guard
it doesn't have to be illegal, he signed his own death warrant, an agreement to represent the company in a good moral and non-discriminator fashion during the tenure of his employment and can be terminated for not doing so, private agreement between us pilots and NJA, not like UAL or AMR, we agree to NDA etc. to protect the brand and the people paying $15K an hour to fly (that's one reason they pay), thus we can be fired for disclosing who we fly on public media etc.
05-03-2019, 08:09 PM
#365
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Originally Posted by pugpilot
Not if one depends on customers making buying decisions. Alienating people who spend their dollars to give you a livelihood isn’t a long-term career strategy.
But do whatever you want, it’s America. You’ve got the right, and other people have the right to react accordingly.
05-03-2019, 08:26 PM
#366
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Originally Posted by majorpilot
Not if one depends on customers making buying decisions. Alienating people who spend their dollars to give you a livelihood isn’t a long-term career strategy.
But do whatever you want, it’s America. You’ve got the right, and other people have the right to react accordingly.
But do whatever you want, it’s America. You’ve got the right, and other people have the right to react accordingly.
05-03-2019, 09:19 PM
#368
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Originally Posted by Macjet
Saying offensive words isn't a crime. It might make the guy an intolerable human being but he's free to say what he wants on his time and his dime. He can be abusive to his kids, his wife, and an A hole to his neighbors too but that isn't justification for termination. He has the right to be a racist, a homophobe, a Democrat, a MAGA hat, Klan, or Antifa. But until he commits an actual crime, and being a racist A hole isn't one, then NJA doesn't have legal grounds (even if the social media crowd is triggered) to fire the guy.
Obviously the specific employment contract governs, but if it’s “at will” employment, where any legal basis, including NO basis, justifies termination , being a racist A hole IS enough to be get one canned.
Also, chances are a racist A hole exposes the company to liability to claims from others in the work environment who are exposed to him/her. If they’re in a leadership position, even more so.
But there are union-protected and government civil service positions that afford much higher levels of protection than “at-will.” And executives with employment contracts can certainly negotiate “good cause” only protections that can require serious misconduct or actual criminal acts.
For the rest of us, just don’t be a dick...
05-04-2019, 03:48 AM
#370
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Joined APC: Feb 2006
Position: C47 PIC/747-400 SIC
Posts: 2,100
Originally Posted by 2BluSkyz
Are there any pilots flying for NetJets on here? Looking for current opinions of the company
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