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05-02-2019, 05:57 PM
#352
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Joined APC: Dec 2017
Position: Retired NJA & AA
Posts: 1,920
Originally Posted by pugpilot
maybe the union will get lucky and he didn't disclose his DUI. "congrats you got your job back, now you are fired for lying about a DUI"
problem solved
problem solved
05-02-2019, 07:39 PM
#353
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Position: PIC
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He should be “convinced” to NOT pursue getting his job back through the grievance process.
He will LOSE and the union knows it. Whether he has the intellectual honesty to reach the same conclusion is the only real question. Given his behavior in the video and behind the wheel in the past, I doubt he is smart enough to realize the jig is up.
He will LOSE and the union knows it. Whether he has the intellectual honesty to reach the same conclusion is the only real question. Given his behavior in the video and behind the wheel in the past, I doubt he is smart enough to realize the jig is up.
05-03-2019, 01:10 AM
#354
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Posts: 1,677
Originally Posted by AirBear
Unfortunately the Union has to arbitrate this or be faced with a DFR lawsuit.
... But if this Captain had wanted to go to arbitration ALPA would have had to do that.
... But if this Captain had wanted to go to arbitration ALPA would have had to do that.
05-03-2019, 04:37 AM
#355
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Joined APC: Sep 2018
Posts: 313
Originally Posted by Macjet
What anyone does on their time off, no matter how despicable, is none of their employers business. Hopefully he sues and retires with a fat payout.
05-03-2019, 04:59 AM
#356
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As offensive and inappropriate as the footage is, is what the former NJA pilot did even illegal? Did he commit a crime? For all we know he could have been under the influence (again) when he was recorded.
Compared to what NJASAP allegedly did (mail fraud, harassment) regarding the FlexJet union decert, why would a union member not be given full representation while the union can defend it's own immoral/illegal behavior no questions asked?
Such is NJA. Harassment is part of the culture, harassment is encouraged and tolerated at times.
It's a shame too, there is no doubt in my mind NJA can be the best job in the industry, but the culture is dysfunctional and toxic.
What happened in Chicago is not surprising. Such behavior is tolerated from the top down, whether it be management or the pilot group.
Compared to what NJASAP allegedly did (mail fraud, harassment) regarding the FlexJet union decert, why would a union member not be given full representation while the union can defend it's own immoral/illegal behavior no questions asked?
Such is NJA. Harassment is part of the culture, harassment is encouraged and tolerated at times.
It's a shame too, there is no doubt in my mind NJA can be the best job in the industry, but the culture is dysfunctional and toxic.
What happened in Chicago is not surprising. Such behavior is tolerated from the top down, whether it be management or the pilot group.
05-03-2019, 08:33 AM
#357
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Joined APC: Feb 2007
Position: Airplanes
Posts: 1,378
Originally Posted by symbian simian
So having a convicted sex offender work as your children's kindergarten teacher is okay, as long as he only raped the neighbors kids, but no one in the school. Got it.
Also, one of the requirements for an ATP is to be of good moral character...
Also, one of the requirements for an ATP is to be of good moral character...
05-03-2019, 08:36 AM
#358
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Joined APC: Feb 2007
Position: Airplanes
Posts: 1,378
Originally Posted by Guard
Not at NJA, right behind the NDA you sign on day one is a another paper you sign saying that you can be fired for anything that basically embarrasses or disparages the company! Also lays out in the company hand book the non-tolerance of racial, sexual orientation, and religious intolerance.
05-03-2019, 10:01 AM
#360
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Joined APC: Jul 2016
Posts: 110
Originally Posted by Macjet
Saying offensive words isn't a crime. It might make the guy an intolerable human being but he's free to say what he wants on his time and his dime. He can be abusive to his kids, his wife, and an A hole to his neighbors too but that isn't justification for termination. He has the right to be a racist, a homophobe, a Democrat, a MAGA hat, Klan, or Antifa. But until he commits an actual crime, and being a racist A hole isn't one, then NJA doesn't have legal grounds (even if the social media crowd is triggered) to fire the guy.
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