[QUOTE=jtf560;3681714]You’re an 18 year FO trying to pretend to be a martyr.

You’ve never been a captain. And hey that’s great but don’t pretend you’re dying on the cross.

But you scream and rant about how you would do more. But you’re not are you? You aren’t making those captain decisions. The most senior people at this company are.

You might say something with a whisper but you don’t want to lose that round the world trip…..

You play nice because let’s face it you’ve got a nice little deal. Talk big on the internet but you’ll never actually do anything.

Cheers.

 

[QUOTE=Swedepilut;3681717]I go to pickets. I sponsor others to go to pickets. I work about 50 less days this year than last year and suggest others to do the same. That is what I do to help the cause. What do you do other than discourage everything that is needed to actually force the company into improving our pay and QOL. I have been a captain before, but not here. I'm not a martyr. I'm a unionist doing what my union leadership asks and/ or implies and supporting their decisions. I do not go on the union message board and berate those that extend, but I do agree that they should not. You could do the same as me if you wanted. You could help make this a better job. You could help to improve your own QOL in the other fleets, but you don't approve of anything that would actually help achieve that. I would happily upgrade in something I could hold if there was any sort of QOL in it, but unless we all get on board to force it, it will never happen. It will never be given to us. We will have to earn it. I am doing my part whether or not you do yours.

 

[QUOTE=jtf560;3681867]Hey whatever helps you go to sleep at night is fine with me.

You still haven’t explained just what the company has done to you though. That makes YOU want to crank everything up and do more to hurt the company.

 

[QUOTE=Swedepilut;3681898]The same thing they did to all of us- refusing to pay inflation age wages. Crank it up to pay up. Do everything within our legal power to crank it up. They will not pay what we are asking until it is cheaper to pay us what we are asking or risk letting the company bleed out more than we are asking. This is what got us contracts in 05, 15, and 18. They did not pay out what they did because they wanted to. They paid out because they had to. So far there isn't enough pressure to have to. As more pilots get on the angry train, that will change. If they just surface negotiate as they come to the table again, the angry train will get longer at an even faster speed than before. I'm kind of hoping for that because I don't believe we are anywhere near the pressure level to force the big improvements that the majority are seeking.

 

[QUOTE=jtf560;3682138]This tells me all I need to know.

You don’t care where the company ends up as long as chaos is created.

 

[QUOTE=Swedepilut;3682274]I would prefer that it didn't take chaos to convince the company to pay up, but they don't seem to be willing without it. This group takes a long time to get revved up so maybe the company will come to their senses and pay up before it gets really ugly, but I wouldn't bet on it. This next busy season will likely be quite painful for everyone. I might have more reservations about it if I had any doubt that the company couldn't afford to pay up, much, much more than the Last Best Offer and still have a very healthy profit.

I really don't relish chaos. I want things to work smoothly. I liked it when the company was happy to work with the union. When they stopped being partners with the union (think crew food and hotels), my views started to change. I am a realist and realize that the only way they will pay is pain. I don't find enjoyment in the process. I don't like seeing disappointed customers. I don't like having to sacrifice now to try to improve things later. I don't like when the company takes hostages. I don't like when we drive billboard vans here and there to cause embarrassment. It isn't fun for me, but I accept that our tool box is extremely restricted via laws that do not favor labor and that these are the tools we have. We will just have to use the sledge hammer to drive in those finishing nails and then clean up the mess with some duct tape. If you have some other way to make it happen that isn't ugly, please share it so that we can do it differently. That would make me happy.

 

[QUOTE=jtf560;3682336]I’m sorry what…… hostages?

For a realist you sure believe everything.

I’ve got a bridge for sale.

 

[QUOTE=Swedepilut;3682348]
Swint for one. I know another who got a PRB for a bullsh*t reason. In the past negotiations we’ve always had hostages taken.

Of course, being a company man you already know that.

 

[QUOTE=Swedepilut;3681898]I know this guy is a company man, but for others who read this dribble and wonder “What has the company done?”, here is the short version:

We get paid 60% of what Spirit pilots make. This despite flying the richest people on the planet. Our duty days are crazy long and while on duty we wear many hats. We do a lot more then get to the plane and turn left.
The problem isn’t what the company has done, it’s what they gleefully keep doing… making huge profits while creating more work for their crews who are getting paid less and less compared to their peers.

 

It is the way it has always been, and it is the way it will always be. You will never get paid properly for the amount of work you do. Keep fighting for the stars and get what you can but the job will never get easier. Your day-to-day QOL at work will never drastically increase, and the only way you will get paid more than the airlines is if they take pay cuts.