Class drops?
01-23-2025 | 02:45 PM
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Sooo.. like I said, the new hires don't really have a choice?
I do appreciate what you are saying, though about trying to protect the new pilots from themselves. I am glad that people with knowledge of the training process are helping to decide which fleets (of available fleets), in which to place the new hires.
I do appreciate what you are saying, though about trying to protect the new pilots from themselves. I am glad that people with knowledge of the training process are helping to decide which fleets (of available fleets), in which to place the new hires.
01-23-2025 | 02:47 PM
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I know this is all anecdotal but look at my class. There's a guy with hundreds hours in Challenger, puts it at the top of his dream list, gets Latitude (which he listed just above Phenom). Another guy in the same class puts Latitude second below Longitude, has 0 hours in Cessna or Bombardier products, gets a 350.
The class after mine, an A320 pilot gets a Phenom, his 3rd choice from the bottom. A PC12 pilot gets a Longitude.
Please don't tell me that what you're getting in the indoc has anything to do with your prior experience or whatever you have on your dream list.
The class after mine, an A320 pilot gets a Phenom, his 3rd choice from the bottom. A PC12 pilot gets a Longitude.
Please don't tell me that what you're getting in the indoc has anything to do with your prior experience or whatever you have on your dream list.
Guess what he's still in the phenom and is going to upgrade in it because it's the fastest upgrade.
Pretty good placement by the company.....
01-23-2025 | 02:50 PM
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01-23-2025 | 02:51 PM
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They might have accepted some recommendations from the union in the past, but I'm pretty sure any and all cooperation has been gone for many moons. While I definitely have sympathy for those who are randomly assigned to what the company wants, I actively wish for the company to have many, many millions in losses due to not heeding or even being willing to listen to union advice. I want to see management heads roll for wilfully disregarding sound advice. I know this is just a pipe dream, but a man can hope.
Worked out great for them.
01-23-2025 | 03:08 PM
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Do you suggest that the union should have rolled over and let the company willfully disregard the protections that were in the FOQA LOA? I fully support holding them to the agreed LOA that is basically what everyone else had. Now the company simply bought off the FAA to allow a new, non protective FOQA. The new NetJets FOQA program is the camels nose under the tent. I hope the real players out there are able to hold the line at least at deidentifying the data. The new FOQA at NetJets is NOT about safety. It is about marketing. The company already admitted to "Puffery" in their BS safety advertising and this just takes it to the next level. I will be actively flushing all flight memories for this program. I will request a union steward for any and all calls about FOQA data and I have a hard time believing that I will remember anything beyond point A and point B in any flight between now and as long as this BS program remains as is. I would be angry if union leadership caved to letting the company use deidentified FOQA data against us. I have zero issues with the union's position on this one.
01-24-2025 | 07:04 AM
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They might have accepted some recommendations from the union in the past, but I'm pretty sure any and all cooperation has been gone for many moons. While I definitely have sympathy for those who are randomly assigned to what the company wants, I actively wish for the company to have many, many millions in losses due to not heeding or even being willing to listen to union advice. I want to see management heads roll for wilfully disregarding sound advice. I know this is just a pipe dream, but a man can hope.
01-24-2025 | 07:10 AM
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Because there have been DOZENS of cases of new hires who actually hold a type rating in one of our small or mid cabin fleet types being assigned something ELSE. That's not a smart management decision in my view. The dart board scenario is merely a joke but probably not far off.
01-24-2025 | 07:12 AM
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And they know that the A320 pilot has experience with both corporate and A320 and know that he will upgrade the quickest so they put him in the phenom. It will actually help him in the long term with seat locks.
Guess what he's still in the phenom and is going to upgrade in it because it's the fastest upgrade.
Pretty good placement by the company.....
Guess what he's still in the phenom and is going to upgrade in it because it's the fastest upgrade.
Pretty good placement by the company.....
But what I don't understand is how being assigned a Phenom helps with upgrades? The only non upgradable seat lock is large cabin after waived lock. Initial seat lock does not prevent one from upgrade whether in or out of fleet.
01-24-2025 | 08:01 AM
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The guy is still in the Phenom and claims it's the most fun he had in a jet. I don't buy that but ok.
But what I don't understand is how being assigned a Phenom helps with upgrades? The only non upgradable seat lock is large cabin after waived lock. Initial seat lock does not prevent one from upgrade whether in or out of fleet.
But what I don't understand is how being assigned a Phenom helps with upgrades? The only non upgradable seat lock is large cabin after waived lock. Initial seat lock does not prevent one from upgrade whether in or out of fleet.
01-24-2025 | 08:11 AM
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If you're already IN the Phenom when you get your upgrade in the Phenom, you don't incur any additional seat lock. If you're in the Phenom and are awarded your first upgrade in something else that you bid, you incur a new 39 month seat lock. I think that's what he's referring to.
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