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02-04-2017, 03:08 PM
#1471
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Posts: 146
Originally Posted by Jetlife
You say start upgrades like the flood gates are opening. The only upgrades projected to happen this year are 5 per the LOA, THATS IT. More captains are worried about downgrade than there are FOs thinking that upgrades are coming.
It's like you work at a different company....
It's like you work at a different company....
Also, your emotions inserted an alternative fact into my post; I never stated "floodgates".
Here's another factual number. With the exception of 3 months around contract ratification, which was near zero, PIC attrition has ranged from 4.7- 5.2 for the last 2 years.
02-04-2017, 03:55 PM
#1472
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Originally Posted by NJA04
Interpret how you like. I'm presenting numbers and facts, not emotions.
Also, your emotions inserted an alternative fact into my post; I never stated "floodgates".
Here's another factual number. With the exception of 3 months around contract ratification, which was near zero, PIC attrition has ranged from 4.7- 5.2 for the last 2 years.
Also, your emotions inserted an alternative fact into my post; I never stated "floodgates".
Here's another factual number. With the exception of 3 months around contract ratification, which was near zero, PIC attrition has ranged from 4.7- 5.2 for the last 2 years.
02-04-2017, 04:05 PM
#1473
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Joined APC: Oct 2014
Posts: 146
Originally Posted by Jetlife
No, you aren't presenting facts. You are presenting hopes and dreams. You seem to conveniently ignore that the company is shrinking lol. Large aircraft orders right round the corner!
Side note. How did you come to the conclusion the company is shrinking? Maybe from the data and charts I've been posting the last couple years?
02-04-2017, 04:59 PM
#1475
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Originally Posted by Jetlife
The charts must show that aircraft deliveries aren't matching disposals, and that we aren't replacing the pilots that leave. If you are posting charts, they must show that...
Federal Aviation Administration - Airline Certificate Information - Detail View
It's time consuming to assemble all the info, but I find the results are the best way to make career decisions.
02-04-2017, 06:57 PM
#1476
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Posts: 166
You two got off on the wrong foot because you both interpret the phrase "NJA will start upgrades December/January" to be different things.
In the literal sense - yes, we might have some people upgrading.
To an SIC that is looking at 2 decades in the right seat, "start upgrades" means a protracted period of upgrades that could change the lifestyle, income, and career future of hundreds of people.
BUT that isn't happening, so when us SICs hear "start upgrades" we laugh bitterly, then go about the business of updating our applications.
In the literal sense - yes, we might have some people upgrading.
To an SIC that is looking at 2 decades in the right seat, "start upgrades" means a protracted period of upgrades that could change the lifestyle, income, and career future of hundreds of people.
BUT that isn't happening, so when us SICs hear "start upgrades" we laugh bitterly, then go about the business of updating our applications.
Last edited by pugpilot; 02-04-2017 at 06:58 PM. Reason: spelling
02-04-2017, 07:01 PM
#1477
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Posts: 1,919
Originally Posted by pugpilot
You two got off on the wrong foot because you both interpret the phrase "NJA will start upgrades December/January" to be different things.
In the literal sense - yes, we might have some people upgrading.
To an SIC that is looking at 2 decades in the right seat, "start upgrades" means a protracted period of upgrades that could change the lifestyle, income, and career future of hundreds of people.
BUT that isn't happening, so when us SICs hear "start upgrades" we laugh bitterly, then go about the business of updating our applications.
In the literal sense - yes, we might have some people upgrading.
To an SIC that is looking at 2 decades in the right seat, "start upgrades" means a protracted period of upgrades that could change the lifestyle, income, and career future of hundreds of people.
BUT that isn't happening, so when us SICs hear "start upgrades" we laugh bitterly, then go about the business of updating our applications.
02-04-2017, 07:15 PM
#1480
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Posts: 166
Originally Posted by NJA04
Fair enough. I didn't realize this info was upsetting to some. I will keep it private in the future.
Captains and FO's speak a different language at NJA when it comes to the future of the company.
Miscommunications will happen.
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