This is true ^. I got hired at AMF with a little over the 135 mins and 100 multi with no internal recs.

Luv2rotate,

I'm working from memory, but my hours are pretty close. Ameriflight has the exact hours. By the way, I got the multi in 7.5 hours. I had an exceptional instructor.

Speaking only for myself, but I got my PPL with about 25 hours dual (I happily flew solo after being legally endorsed). ATP got me my PPMEL with about 7.5 in dual so out of my low 2500 or so hours the majority (like 2450+) are PIC. But I've only worked in Part 91 & 135.

Ahh never did the ATP gig. I unfortunately went the ERAU route and ended up with a TON of loans. Uggggggh, you ATP guys are ahead of the curve! :(

Not sure why CFllight hasnt been called? Maybe they just pick 1/10 resumes.

I'm not sure about that. The ATPers have/had at least 40K into that deal. Granted it isn't as much as riddle but isn't this like comparing which 150 would be better to fly through a thunderstorm?

No debt
 

I did my training all part 61 over a few years with no debt. Not ATP flight school, no Riddle. Never planned on flying professionally; it just happened :). Flying is a second career for me. All my flying has been part 61 and 135, and all on aircraft 12,500 mgtow or smaller, so most of it is PIC.

possible interview
 

i have an interview in the next couple of weeks in CVG. Did any current ameriflighters interview there or know anything about the sim there ect? thanks for the info!

For the sim, know how to fly part A. DME arcs, NDB approaches and VOR approaches. Know how to get into holds. The more you know, the more prepared you are.

As for OAK, just know your regs. Know what you can and can't do and that will be honored. It is single pilot IFR so keeping your head in the game will keep you safe.

Pay for play? Don't do it, you will hate yourself in the morning.

I agree.

The only SIC position we have is for the Brasilia, and there are currently no openings. your only chance would be to "pay for play" and when you only need 100 hours its definitely not worth it. Just build the extra 100 hours and apply then.

Sure you can pay to play. Gives me a chance to finish my coffee while you load the boxes :D

Did you really ask this question without giving it some serious thought? If you pay one company to fly their airplanes , what's to stop the others from doing the same? Would you pay every company a "fee" for the privilege of flying for them. If you were hired by UAL and then had to pay them $50,000.00 to sit in the right seat, what would you think? Get hired because you have the qualifications and the "right" stuff. Besides, if you had ten grand, you could take most of the pilots on this forum out to a swell dinner.

Or do the preflight in the freezing rain while I sit in the recliners and act important!:cool:

Or maybe I could read the company ops manuel and better myself in the companys eyes and then write out another check so I could sit right seat in the Learjet. Wheeeeeeeeeeeeee.

That wont work either. we parked all the lears

Who will see you reading the ops manuel out in Pendelton or Red Bluff??? Besideds no time to read when there's boxes to be loeaded! :D

Oh, I can get ya a discounted rate for the Lear... Just make it out to me and I'll forward your request

For all those wondering about not getting called, consider that the stack of resumes on the desk of the pilot recruiter(s) exceed the stack on my desk. My flight school hasn't hired in three years, yet the stack of resumes from the last two months exceeds five inches. I'm sure Ameriflight's stack exceeds two feet.

Next, consider your time. Are you one of the children of the pink line? Was your last IPC in a glass cockpit aircraft? Did you just graduate from flight school and have zero to little IMC time? Are you out there actively instructing and taking your students into the clouds as the weather allows? Are you doing whatever you can to meet the image of a pilot flying single pilot IFR, and night hard IMC at that?

Or are you sitting around your Mom's basement feeling sad for yourself because you think no one is hiring from all the online apps you've filled out?

There *are* opportunities out there. Perhaps those opportunities are in east bumnowhere, or you might need five roommates to make the rent payment, or it's not where you want to live today? If you really want to get a job, get out of the house and go meet people. It's not always successful, and sometimes you get to do what you don't want to do, or get paid a lot less than you want, or fly something other than a shiny whatever, but there ARE opportunities out there. Cast a wide net, go out and meet people, get out and ask questions, and keep trying.

Best of luck all!

just over 135 mins

Sounds like a flight instructor move.....go preflight.

Out of 8 pilots that were in my class, only 1 was a flight instructor. The rest were all furloughed 121 guys. It might not be the dream job that I wanted, but being home every night, having weekends off and paid federal holidays off makes it very doable. A lot more doable then at a regional or even a major unless you are very senior.

Unless qualifications are very high, new hires start in PA31s, work upward.

Almost all aircraft have autopilots -- range from S-Tec 30 (altitude and heading hold only) to 5-tube EFIS in Brasilias.

Most flights fly early morning from UPS, FedEx, or DHL hub to 1-2 smaller cities, layover all day (company provides hotel or apt), return in evening. Some trips are based at outstation, night layover at the hub. Other trips are day only, night only.

Preference, seniority, qualifications mostly determine assignment. Advancement is faster at some domiciles than others.

{Almost all aircraft have autopilots}

Question is are they working? 135 cargo doesnt require autopilot for IFR ops. So they can be MEL'd for max of 120 days I believe.

So quick question for all you AF guys and gals. How do your 121ers usually do. Do they have trouble going from a crew enviroment to a single pilot one? Also what do you need to go direct into the BE99? Lastly what are the chances to go direct to the PHX base.

you'll never get direct the 99. Back when we were short on pilots they would hire direct into the turbines but it will never happen any time soon. there are plenty of chieftain guys that will bid just about anything right now. Same story for the PHX base. it is senior due to majority of the a/c being turbine and the senior chieftain guys will want to take the little piston slots in hopes of upgrading sooner. Expect to get into the chieftain and probably the OAK or PDX base regardless of qualifications.

Hey thanks for the info. How long is the upgrade these days to the turbine?

That depends mainly on you. If your willing to move to an outstation in the middle of nowhere you could hopefully expect an upgrade in 6-8 months. I wouldn't expect it in less than 6 months. I have also seen guys go directly to the metro from the PA31. If you have all the turbine time requirements for the metro theres a chance you could go direct to the metro and bypass the 99. I have seen it happen mainly in CVG because not much people want to move there.

I've heard around the water cooler that some of the 121ers are getting recalled soon to their respective airlines and can't wait to leave and they are not even going to honor their 1-year commitment. There is no loyalty/integrity any more.

I've seen a huge range from the 121ers. I've seen ones do quite excellent and others not so hot. The biggest area I've seen a deficiency is in their decision making.

Well I hope you are not referring to all of the 121ers. Some of us don't mind flying 135 when we come from the 121 world. Others can't stand the 135 world, but this being the only job that they could find decided to take it.

I came from the 121 world. This isn't my dream job, but I'm enjoying it immensely. I know that each of us have different perspectives, but if a better job then this one popped up you would be stupid not to take it.

I know some of those pilots that are deciding to go back to the 121 world. It’s their choice. If they want to break their 1 year training contract then so be it.

When it comes to no loyalty or integrity because they decided to leave before their one year, remember that they are being loyal to their first employer that had to let them go.

So please be careful next time when you’re referring to a whole group as having a deficiency in decision making please. Pilots from all groups make bad decisions, not just one group.

I wouldn't go as far to say that "almost all aircraft". Some of the aircraft would be a more accurate way to put it.

As for the work, some bases fly a lot of bank work as well. PDX and OAK being examples.

Who wants to stay loyal to a company that lets you go

You do bring up a good point. It was the best thing I could think up at the moment when I was typing my post.

But I'm sure there are plenty of guys on the streets that were let go by their previous employers that had pretty good jobs. I was just trying to make a point that there are guys out there that would decide to leave their current job; which could possibly be less pay and sometimes worse quality of life, and go back to their previous job that let them go. If their previous job had better pay, better quality of life, or they just simply enjoyed it more, then they have the right to leave instead of staying because of a training contract. It would be silly to stay.

has anybody been called recently for an interview?

Yes. had phone interview and meeting with the CP this week.

crap. you have loads of time tho. i have just above 135 mins. good luck man.

Don't let that discourage you. Many of people have been hired with just the 135 mins. Persistence is key.

EagleJet and Keylime PFT programs?

I don't want to start another thread as there are a few Amflight guys active in this thread, but I'd like to hear Amflight pilot opinions on the below quote from another thread.

"The FAA has determined that the SIC pilots that participate in Key Lime's FO program cannot log the flight time. The First Officer program offered by Key Lime Air is not valid for the logging flight time. Key Lime Air has claimed the time is loggable. Key Lime Air has claimed the First Officer Program includes legally loggable SIC time."

Any Amflight guys hear anything new on logging PFT time? How would KeyLime's program vary from EagleJet?

I believe the Amflight ops specs allow for an F/O as long as the person has gone through company 135 training. This time has traditionally been legal to log with the FAA's blessing.

Short answer is yes they can log the time because we have an Opspec that says that during certain types of operations we need a FO!

Hey 208,

What situations would that be? Being 135 cargo you don't need an autopilot or an SIC in leu of an inoperable AP.

WMU: Keep your chin up buddy. Keep applying!!! Pilots will leave AMF at least those that are being recalled. There will be more hiring! It took me 6 months to hear anything back from them!!!

appreciate that

I've always been scratching my head about the FO program when I heard about it in training. I do believe that the company and the FAA has an agreement that does allow First Officers to log the time when they have operational control.