Ameriflight
#2611
Banned
Joined APC: Jan 2013
Posts: 1,919
Who said anything about shiny jet syndrome? The mark of maturity is realizing you spent 100,000 dollars on your degree and ratings so you should try to make the most money, be the most secure, and be with a company that contributes to your retirement. Choosing to work 22 days a month to cap out at 80 grand in 20 years is an extremely immature decision.
#2612
Banned
Joined APC: Jan 2013
Posts: 1,919
Valid point. My agenda is to try dispel the fairytale that some employees try to give potential employees. It annoys me to see lies posted on forums that new pilots eat up. I would love to see a poll taken on the percentage of former AMF pilots who feel like they what they were told, and the reality of what they experienced were vastly different.
#2615
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Feb 2015
Position: Left seat bizjet
Posts: 293
Ameriflight
I can't think of a set of priorities that this place would satisfy long term. You value family and QOL? Good luck here! In station? Work 12-14 hour days, and a half day (7-8 hours) on Saturday. Outstation? Enjoy 5 nights a week alone in a ***tty crash pad or a hotel away from your spouse and kids. You want financial security? You top out under $80K here. Oh, and no Union either.
I look at people who have been here over 5 years and wonder what is wrong with them. Do they have DUIs, violations, felonies? Are they so weird nobody else will hire them? Do they have no professional aspirations?
You get hired here and that's it. It never gets any better. The most senior pilot on the list got his vacation cancelled this summer, over 20 years here and they couldn't TDY a guy to cover his run so he could go on vacation with his family. You know what the senior pilots get that the new hire doesn't? Not a damn thing. Same crappy runs, same difficulty in getting management to address their concerns, etc. At least a regional gets better with time.
This is a good place to come to if you want quick TPIC and multi time. Do your time and LEAVE. A good (debatable) job will keep you from getting a great if you aren't careful.
This would be a wretched place to spend 30 years.
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#2616
Banned
Joined APC: Jan 2013
Posts: 1,919
I can't think of a set of priorities that this place would satisfy long term. You value family and QOL? Good luck here! In station? Work 12-14 hour days, and a half day (7-8 hours) on Saturday. Outstation? Enjoy 5 nights a week alone in a ***tty crash pad or a hotel away from your spouse and kids. You want financial security? You top out under $80K here. Oh, and no Union either.
I look at people who have been here over 5 years and wonder what is wrong with them. Do they have DUIs, violations, felonies? Are they so weird nobody else will hire them? Do they have no professional aspirations?
You get hired here and that's it. It never gets any better. The most senior pilot on the list got his vacation cancelled this summer, over 20 years here and they couldn't TDY a guy to cover his run so he could go on vacation with his family. You know what the senior pilots get that the new hire doesn't? Not a damn thing. Same crappy runs, same difficulty in getting management to address their concerns, etc. At least a regional gets better with time.
This is a good place to come to if you want quick TPIC and multi time. Do your time and LEAVE. A good (debatable) job will keep you from getting a great if you aren't careful.
This would be a wretched place to spend 30 years.
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I look at people who have been here over 5 years and wonder what is wrong with them. Do they have DUIs, violations, felonies? Are they so weird nobody else will hire them? Do they have no professional aspirations?
You get hired here and that's it. It never gets any better. The most senior pilot on the list got his vacation cancelled this summer, over 20 years here and they couldn't TDY a guy to cover his run so he could go on vacation with his family. You know what the senior pilots get that the new hire doesn't? Not a damn thing. Same crappy runs, same difficulty in getting management to address their concerns, etc. At least a regional gets better with time.
This is a good place to come to if you want quick TPIC and multi time. Do your time and LEAVE. A good (debatable) job will keep you from getting a great if you aren't careful.
This would be a wretched place to spend 30 years.
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Own Nav is right. I am a jerk who makes inappropriate comments. But that's because I'm not ok with settling. Again it comes back to what I've said over and over. Be realistic about the job and what it is. Use it for what it is and nothing more, nothing less. I have flown with 2 ex AMF Lear guys who only left AMF because the Lear program dried up. They were both in their 60s, in huge financial debt, and had to fly on their days off to pay their mortgages. That's a pathetic existence that AMF lifers don't consider at the time. AMF is good for what it is, a career destination in any capacity it is certainly not.
#2617
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Oct 2007
Position: single pilot cargo, turboprop
Posts: 484
I can't think of a set of priorities that this place would satisfy long term. You value family and QOL? Good luck here! In station? Work 12-14 hour days, and a half day (7-8 hours) on Saturday. Outstation? Enjoy 5 nights a week alone in a ***tty crash pad or a hotel away from your spouse and kids. You want financial security? You top out under $80K here. Oh, and no Union either.
I look at people who have been here over 5 years and wonder what is wrong with them. Do they have DUIs, violations, felonies? Are they so weird nobody else will hire them? Do they have no professional aspirations?
You get hired here and that's it. It never gets any better. The most senior pilot on the list got his vacation cancelled this summer, over 20 years here and they couldn't TDY a guy to cover his run so he could go on vacation with his family. You know what the senior pilots get that the new hire doesn't? Not a damn thing. Same crappy runs, same difficulty in getting management to address their concerns, etc. At least a regional gets better with time.
This is a good place to come to if you want quick TPIC and multi time. Do your time and LEAVE. A good (debatable) job will keep you from getting a great if you aren't careful.
This would be a wretched place to spend 30 years.
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I look at people who have been here over 5 years and wonder what is wrong with them. Do they have DUIs, violations, felonies? Are they so weird nobody else will hire them? Do they have no professional aspirations?
You get hired here and that's it. It never gets any better. The most senior pilot on the list got his vacation cancelled this summer, over 20 years here and they couldn't TDY a guy to cover his run so he could go on vacation with his family. You know what the senior pilots get that the new hire doesn't? Not a damn thing. Same crappy runs, same difficulty in getting management to address their concerns, etc. At least a regional gets better with time.
This is a good place to come to if you want quick TPIC and multi time. Do your time and LEAVE. A good (debatable) job will keep you from getting a great if you aren't careful.
This would be a wretched place to spend 30 years.
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#2618
Banned
Joined APC: Jan 2013
Posts: 1,919
So what's the angle then? Stay at the bottom because it's better than progressing and having the slim possibility of being furloughed?
#2619
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Feb 2015
Position: Left seat bizjet
Posts: 293
Ameriflight
Who cares if it does or doesn't? If you move on and get furloughed in 20 years, bottom feeder cargo companies will always be around. And don't kid yourself, AMF is a bottom feeder. Redding Aero is advertising 5-6K a MONTH to fly cargo. Key Lime is advertising 55K starting and a 4 day work schedule. Are you advocating that after the pilot shortage is over in 2030 we will all have to go back to cargo? No, hopefully we will all be close to retirement NOT flying a Metro held together with high speed tape and MEL stickers. It's like you are starving, and someone is offering you food for a decade or 2, and you want to refuse on the grounds that you might be hungry again someday.
And I'm not taking my frustration of today and extrapolating it 30 years. The old timers I've talked to almost seem to wear it as a badge of honor how ***tty they have historically been treated. Doing mtx flights for free, Per diem denied, being not given legal rest etc. And I have no reason to think it will be better in the next 30 years.
Please, I would like to know what this place offers as a long term place of employment that's so good someone wouldn't want to leave.
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