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From: E-175 FO
I didn't say ops specs. I said regulation. Specifically 14 CFR §135.101.
Just because A015 allows autopilot in lieu doesn't relieve the airline of adherence to §135.101, and as long as the autopilot isn't engaged the SIC is a required flight crewmember under 14 CFR §135.101 and thus logs SIC time.
The validity of your speculation notwithstanding, the discussion isn't about why Seaport chooses to have FOs, but is instead specifically about the regulations that require FOs and, therefore, allow the FO to log SIC time.
You're confusing the issue by replying to my specific answer to a specific question with unrelated theories about a company in a manner that appears to negate the (correct) information I provided.
-Fox
Just because A015 allows autopilot in lieu doesn't relieve the airline of adherence to §135.101, and as long as the autopilot isn't engaged the SIC is a required flight crewmember under 14 CFR §135.101 and thus logs SIC time.
Seaport requires fos due to the flight hour length per day to excede 8 hours. By having an fo you can fly up to 10 hours in a day and then reduce rest your overnight. Also seaport would need fos because the fars require 100 hours with an fo in type before the single pilot exemtion is authorized.
You're confusing the issue by replying to my specific answer to a specific question with unrelated theories about a company in a manner that appears to negate the (correct) information I provided.
-Fox
#446
I didn't say ops specs. I said regulation. Specifically 14 CFR §135.101.
Just because A015 allows autopilot in lieu doesn't relieve the airline of adherence to §135.101, and as long as the autopilot isn't engaged the SIC is a required flight crewmember under 14 CFR §135.101 and thus logs SIC time.
The validity of your speculation notwithstanding, the discussion isn't about why Seaport chooses to have FOs, but is instead specifically about the regulations that require FOs and, therefore, allow the FO to log SIC time.
You're confusing the issue by replying to my specific answer to a specific question with unrelated theories about a company in a manner that appears to negate the (correct) information I provided.
-Fox
Just because A015 allows autopilot in lieu doesn't relieve the airline of adherence to §135.101, and as long as the autopilot isn't engaged the SIC is a required flight crewmember under 14 CFR §135.101 and thus logs SIC time.
The validity of your speculation notwithstanding, the discussion isn't about why Seaport chooses to have FOs, but is instead specifically about the regulations that require FOs and, therefore, allow the FO to log SIC time.
You're confusing the issue by replying to my specific answer to a specific question with unrelated theories about a company in a manner that appears to negate the (correct) information I provided.
-Fox
#448
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From: E-175 FO
Jeez sounds like Jedi mind games here. No I don't speculate, I did work for these guys. Most of the lines required an FO do to time limits and also if the captain had less than 100 hours in type. Therefor the FO is a required crew member. Yes you can always log sic and p1 time (if you keep track of it for overseas jobs) if your in the right seat and flying or performing crew member functions.
"Since the airplane doesn't require an SIC, can the right-seater log anything or his he just baggage" (paraphrasing)
Now there are specific regulations regarding when SIC time is to be logged. If a company pilot is occupying the right seat of, say, a Caravan flying for Wings in Juneau, he or she is not entitled to log SIC, because the flights are conducted under VFR.
To log SIC, a second in command must be required by the airplane's type certificate (14 CFR §61.51(f)(1)), or by the rules under which the flight is being conducted (14 CFR §61.51(f)(2); see also 14 CFR §91.109, 14 CFR §135.101 for examples of regulations that might require a second in command...)
In the case of Seaport lower-48 operations, 14 CFR §135.101 requires a second-in-command. §135.105 allows for ops specs A015, which allows an autopilot to be used in lieu of a second in command in certain operations, some of which you mention.
Bear in mind that the Nichols LOI (http://www.faa.gov/about/office_org/...rpretation.pdf) specifies that if the autopilot is in use, the SIC cannot log the time as SIC.
I doubt that situation is logged appropriately in most cases—I suspect most 135 pilots assigned to fly a leg as FO are going to log SIC for it, but be aware that the guidance is there and specific.
The point is, I was answering his question specifically, and with reference to the legalities in question, and your response was:
No the seaport fo is not required under ops spec.
Seaport requires fos due to the flight hour length per day to excede 8 hours. By having an fo you can fly up to 10 hours in a day and then reduce rest your overnight.
Also seaport would need fos because the fars require 100 hours with an fo in type before the single pilot exemtion is authorized.
Seaport requires fos due to the flight hour length per day to excede 8 hours. By having an fo you can fly up to 10 hours in a day and then reduce rest your overnight.
Also seaport would need fos because the fars require 100 hours with an fo in type before the single pilot exemtion is authorized.
I didn't bring up the fact that I'm a Seaport pilot as I don't consider it specifically relevant to the subject at hand... and I don't feel that it lends me any special authority in this particular situation. You may be correct about the reasons behind SeaPort choosing to operate the way they do, but it's outside the scope of the particular discussion, which was about logging time.
-Fox
#450
I don't think K5 offers an overnight in SMF. As of right now, crews spend the night in Visalia. Commuting shouldn't be too awful from your location down to SAN. Southwest has about 8 flights/day that go down there. Getting SAN as a base out of training is no guarantee though.
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