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Old 03-25-2011 | 05:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Way2Broke
Can't say I blame you. There has been lots of grumbling about people quitting without giving much notice lately, but when your making 16,380 dollars a year, I wouldn't expect much from someone when a better opportunity comes up. I would still give notice if you can, but I wouldn't bypass or delay a good one either because you can not give 2 weeks notice. Giving two weeks notice is the professional and right thing to do, when possible, it sounds like you were able too, well done.

Cape Air would retain pilots better if they paid a livable wage. Even as a Captain in the North your base is only 27,300 dollars a year in the North ($15 x 35 hr wk guarantee = 525 week. 525 x 52= 27300 yr) . Yes, there are ways to make more money, and some lines pay better, but that is the base. Pay some rent, medical insurance, student loans etc and there is no way your putting away for retirement or saving to purchase a house and start a family on that wage, which is truely the important stuff in life. You might even find yourself in the negative. You would be hard pressed to find another "regional" that pays Captains that low of a guarantee. This needs to be addressed, otherwise I think that 9K will find it hard to staff during the upcoming pilot hiring boom, and a mass exodus is already well under way. I want to see the company suceed, and in order to suceed you need to be able to retain pilots.

With that said, there are many many many pros to flying for Cape Air: Good, friendly management that works with you typically, not against you, unquestioned PIC authority for safety decisions, some fun destinations, the 402 is fun to fly, they put forth a good effort to try to stay on top an aging fleet, great training, Cape Air looks great on the resume, just to name a few. Unfortunately for many people though, they can't afford to stay there. Management knows this, and as long as you did your job there well, and give notice when it is time to leave, they are likely to pat you on the back and say good luck to you on your way out. And if you ever need to come back, they are likely to have you back, which can be great when the pilot markey turns south, like it often does, and you find yourself needing a job.
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Old 03-26-2011 | 04:39 AM
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Originally Posted by Way2Broke
Cape Air would retain pilots better if they paid a livable wage. Even as a Captain in the North your base is only 27,300 dollars a year in the North ($15 x 35 hr wk guarantee = 525 week. 525 x 52= 27300 yr) .
To be quite honest, I don't exactly think Cape Air is too concerned about whether or not changing pay would retain pilots. As you said, they do have an excellent attitude about people coming and going, but they counter that by viewing the bottom half of the seniority list as transient employees. Can't really blame them though; who is interested in making a career out of flying a 402 for $15-20/hr while living in constantly changing outstations?

That being said, I do wonder how they will attract enough pilots to fill the spaces that are going to be opening. With the regionals' mins plummeting, why would a recent grad with $100,000 of debt choose 16,500/yr for SIC piston time? Especially when interns are getting a better deal than full-time FOs...

I think Cape Air is an excellent stepping stone, and I am enjoying working here (minus the locale). But it will be interesting what happens when the pilots run out.
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Old 03-26-2011 | 11:15 AM
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Originally Posted by vtbvtdk
To be quite honest, I don't exactly think Cape Air is too concerned about whether or not changing pay would retain pilots. ........ But it will be interesting what happens when the pilots run out.
That is my point exactly, it may not be a concern right now, but it is going to be a big concern real soon if pay is not addressed. Company culture is not enough to attract or retain a pilot when everyone is hiring.
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Old 03-31-2011 | 07:59 AM
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Just wanted to let you all know that the interns out here are making more than first year Captains.

Base FO pay = $9/duty hour

Interns get: Paid hotel, Paid rental car, AND $35 per diem per DAY.

7 days a week x $35 = $245.

$245 / 40 hours (average) per week of duty = $6.13/hr

$9/hr + $6.13/hr = $15.13/hr + car + hotel. I'm not sure but they probably get gas reimbursed too.

Ain't that interesting.
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Old 03-31-2011 | 08:52 AM
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Originally Posted by Crism
Just wanted to let you all know that the interns out here are making more than first year Captains.

Base FO pay = $9/duty hour

Interns get: Paid hotel, Paid rental car, AND $35 per diem per DAY.

7 days a week x $35 = $245.

$245 / 40 hours (average) per week of duty = $6.13/hr

$9/hr + $6.13/hr = $15.13/hr + car + hotel. I'm not sure but they probably get gas reimbursed too.

Ain't that interesting.
It is interesting, and will have the same difficulty attracting quality pilots as other carriers are currently facing. Heck they pay A&P mechanics more, they tend to stay around longer don't they? Where ya based Crism?
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Old 03-31-2011 | 11:19 AM
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What is the possibility of getting based in Puerto Rico as a new hire?
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Old 03-31-2011 | 12:39 PM
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Puerto Rico (SJU) is going down to only 3 positions for the summer. It won't start growing again until late September/early October. It should be possible to hold it as a newhire at that time as we have a couple of really junior guys that are based there right now. The schedules, however, tend to be 5 on 2 off for the real junior SJU pilots so that might be something to consider.
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Old 03-31-2011 | 02:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Crism
Just wanted to let you all know that the interns out here are making more than first year Captains.

Base FO pay = $9/duty hour

Interns get: Paid hotel, Paid rental car, AND $35 per diem per DAY.

7 days a week x $35 = $245.

$245 / 40 hours (average) per week of duty = $6.13/hr

$9/hr + $6.13/hr = $15.13/hr + car + hotel. I'm not sure but they probably get gas reimbursed too.

Ain't that interesting.
Since when?
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Old 03-31-2011 | 03:40 PM
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Originally Posted by 9kBud
Since when?
Roughly the past 2 weeks or so since the interns have been out here.
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Old 03-31-2011 | 03:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Crism
Roughly the past 2 weeks or so since the interns have been out here.
Is here HYA or Gateway?
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