SurfAir
07-09-2015 | 09:29 PM
#261
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Joined: Jun 2015
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From: Captain
I am much more concerned about management, people, and QOL. Geography mostly because of cost of living.
07-11-2015 | 01:25 PM
#263
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I don't know much about Boutique. Working for Surf Air I can say it's a pretty good gig, especially coming from regional airline hell. We are slowly working out way toward proper staffing so the schedules are getting slightly better. I am scheduled for 13 days off this month as a captain and that has not been the case in recent months because of being understaffed, average is around 80 hours. The people are awesome to work with. The pay is pretty good considering the type of operation and aircraft we are flying. Captains start at around 61/hour with a 72 hour gurantee, FOs have a probationary pay for 6 months then it goes up. I don't remember the FO pay rates. As of November we will be an all NG fleet. We supposedly just raised a rather large number of sign ups for membership as well as investors. There is a plan to alleviate our current problem of being intrastate only, however I do not know how close we are. We plan to open Texas early next year.
07-12-2015 | 07:53 AM
#265
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From: Captain
SurfAir
Yes my conversational sources are good. I don't need to be more specific for their sake. And reading objective reports about EAS awards is quite illuminating. Competing with Great Lakes is a good way to race to the bottom ... especially if you can't or won't deliver. (Boutique is growing quite fast on sizzle. But ... it's easy to outshine a loser.)
Sarcasm doesn't illuminate anything here.
Sarcasm doesn't illuminate anything here.
Last edited by SEair; 07-12-2015 at 08:06 AM.
07-12-2015 | 07:54 AM
#266
On Reserve
Joined: Jun 2015
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From: Captain
SurfAir
I don't know much about Boutique. Working for Surf Air I can say it's a pretty good gig, especially coming from regional airline hell. We are slowly working out way toward proper staffing so the schedules are getting slightly better. I am scheduled for 13 days off this month as a captain and that has not been the case in recent months because of being understaffed, average is around 80 hours. The people are awesome to work with. The pay is pretty good considering the type of operation and aircraft we are flying. Captains start at around 61/hour with a 72 hour gurantee, FOs have a probationary pay for 6 months then it goes up. I don't remember the FO pay rates. As of November we will be an all NG fleet. We supposedly just raised a rather large number of sign ups for membership as well as investors. There is a plan to alleviate our current problem of being intrastate only, however I do not know how close we are. We plan to open Texas early next year.
Thanks for the info! The SA revenue model seems to support a great aviation product/experience.
Last edited by SEair; 07-12-2015 at 08:06 AM.
07-21-2015 | 01:15 PM
#268
New Hire
Joined: Jul 2015
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Good Company to Build Time, but that's about.
I have a very close friend that works there and this is what he told me.
Surf Air is a great company to use to build that 1500 hours and that's about it. Most of the captains that work there are bitter regional FO pilots that could never get upgraded. Captains try to apply for the Majors thinking their Single Engine PIC turbine is valuable time and constantly get turned down because the Majors don't consider Single Engine Turbine as valuable time. F/O pay is $29 per flight hour for the first 6 months which equals around 1800 per month after taxes. 1800 dollars in LA is like having a penny. Not Survivable at all. If you have over 1500 hours and the ATP written done, minus well go to a regional to get the more valuable time, you basically get paid the same. Multi Engine Turbine is a lot more valuable than the Single Engine Turbine, that's a true statement. After 6 months, yes you get a raise to 36 per hour which equals to 2200 after taxes which is still not Survivable in California. Yes Captains make 61 per hour, 72 hour guarantee, but Captains get over worked and fly around 85-120 hours a month which in Part 135, 120 is max you can do in a month. Quality of Life is slightly better than a regional, captains are forced to pay for hotels and crash pads out of pocket with no reimbursement because it's not worth them driving home because they have to fly early the next day. AEav8r is lying, most of the captains are getting 8-9 days off a month because on how short they are right now. Actually AEav8r is really close to the Cheif Pilot and is filling this forum with Lies to drag more people in. Surf Air are losing Pilots left and right because of the lack management of the Cheif Pilot and Higher Managment. Surf Air does not appreciate their Pilots, they already know they are just a stepping stone for a Pilots Career. But the Positive thing that I Heard is the Pilot Group is really cool, trying to stay positive. But Big Disconnect with the Santa Monica Office who are ruining the company every single day. I think that's about it
Surf Air is a great company to use to build that 1500 hours and that's about it. Most of the captains that work there are bitter regional FO pilots that could never get upgraded. Captains try to apply for the Majors thinking their Single Engine PIC turbine is valuable time and constantly get turned down because the Majors don't consider Single Engine Turbine as valuable time. F/O pay is $29 per flight hour for the first 6 months which equals around 1800 per month after taxes. 1800 dollars in LA is like having a penny. Not Survivable at all. If you have over 1500 hours and the ATP written done, minus well go to a regional to get the more valuable time, you basically get paid the same. Multi Engine Turbine is a lot more valuable than the Single Engine Turbine, that's a true statement. After 6 months, yes you get a raise to 36 per hour which equals to 2200 after taxes which is still not Survivable in California. Yes Captains make 61 per hour, 72 hour guarantee, but Captains get over worked and fly around 85-120 hours a month which in Part 135, 120 is max you can do in a month. Quality of Life is slightly better than a regional, captains are forced to pay for hotels and crash pads out of pocket with no reimbursement because it's not worth them driving home because they have to fly early the next day. AEav8r is lying, most of the captains are getting 8-9 days off a month because on how short they are right now. Actually AEav8r is really close to the Cheif Pilot and is filling this forum with Lies to drag more people in. Surf Air are losing Pilots left and right because of the lack management of the Cheif Pilot and Higher Managment. Surf Air does not appreciate their Pilots, they already know they are just a stepping stone for a Pilots Career. But the Positive thing that I Heard is the Pilot Group is really cool, trying to stay positive. But Big Disconnect with the Santa Monica Office who are ruining the company every single day. I think that's about it
07-21-2015 | 01:22 PM
#269
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I have a very close friend that works there and this is what he told me.
Surf Air is a great company to use to build that 1500 hours and that's about it. Most of the captains that work there are bitter regional FO pilots that could never get upgraded. Captains try to apply for the Majors thinking their Single Engine PIC turbine is valuable time and constantly get turned down because the Majors don't consider Single Engine Turbine as valuable time. F/O pay is $29 per flight hour for the first 6 months which equals around 1800 per month after taxes. 1800 dollars in LA is like having a penny. Not Survivable at all. If you have over 1500 hours and the ATP written done, minus well go to a regional to get the more valuable time, you basically get paid the same. Multi Engine Turbine is a lot more valuable than the Single Engine Turbine, that's a true statement. After 6 months, yes you get a raise to 36 per hour which equals to 2200 after taxes which is still not Survivable in California. Yes Captains make 61 per hour, 72 hour guarantee, but Captains get over worked and fly around 85-120 hours a month which in Part 135, 120 is max you can do in a month. Quality of Life is slightly better than a regional, captains are forced to pay for hotels and crash pads out of pocket with no reimbursement because it's not worth them driving home because they have to fly early the next day. AEav8r is lying, most of the captains are getting 8-9 days off a month because on how short they are right now. Actually AEav8r is really close to the Cheif Pilot and is filling this forum with Lies to drag more people in. Surf Air are losing Pilots left and right because of the lack management of the Cheif Pilot and Higher Managment. Surf Air does not appreciate their Pilots, they already know they are just a stepping stone for a Pilots Career. But the Positive thing that I Heard is the Pilot Group is really cool, trying to stay positive. But Big Disconnect with the Santa Monica Office who are ruining the company every single day. I think that's about it
Surf Air is a great company to use to build that 1500 hours and that's about it. Most of the captains that work there are bitter regional FO pilots that could never get upgraded. Captains try to apply for the Majors thinking their Single Engine PIC turbine is valuable time and constantly get turned down because the Majors don't consider Single Engine Turbine as valuable time. F/O pay is $29 per flight hour for the first 6 months which equals around 1800 per month after taxes. 1800 dollars in LA is like having a penny. Not Survivable at all. If you have over 1500 hours and the ATP written done, minus well go to a regional to get the more valuable time, you basically get paid the same. Multi Engine Turbine is a lot more valuable than the Single Engine Turbine, that's a true statement. After 6 months, yes you get a raise to 36 per hour which equals to 2200 after taxes which is still not Survivable in California. Yes Captains make 61 per hour, 72 hour guarantee, but Captains get over worked and fly around 85-120 hours a month which in Part 135, 120 is max you can do in a month. Quality of Life is slightly better than a regional, captains are forced to pay for hotels and crash pads out of pocket with no reimbursement because it's not worth them driving home because they have to fly early the next day. AEav8r is lying, most of the captains are getting 8-9 days off a month because on how short they are right now. Actually AEav8r is really close to the Cheif Pilot and is filling this forum with Lies to drag more people in. Surf Air are losing Pilots left and right because of the lack management of the Cheif Pilot and Higher Managment. Surf Air does not appreciate their Pilots, they already know they are just a stepping stone for a Pilots Career. But the Positive thing that I Heard is the Pilot Group is really cool, trying to stay positive. But Big Disconnect with the Santa Monica Office who are ruining the company every single day. I think that's about it
07-21-2015 | 02:06 PM
#270
New Hire
Joined: Jul 2015
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Yea it's kinda Sad @JetLife!!! My friend was telling me that the CEO and Chief Pilot have been trying to keep their Pilots by telling them that Surf Air will have a flow thru with Virgin America. Pilatus to A320. That sounds realistic
