Newstick189

Yikes man, you sound like a management shill.

The money WILL allow the company to stay competitive to recruit. We were on parity with PSA and ENY and grew the airline by 30 jets, despite our **** poor QOL.

This is our only chance at ever changing that. It is going to take patience from the pilot group, but we finally have leverage. Recruitment and retention need to take a hit and that's simply going to take time. PSA just got their raise and F9 is holding off on new-hire classes until fall.... It's not going to happen over night. However, hopefully the company realizes before then that what we're asking for isn't so much of a stretch.

Everyone I know that is screaming take the money are the guys who are about to flow, are leaving, or who are lifers looking to pad their pensions. Those are short term interests... It would be nice if the pilot group actually proved management wrong for once.

4thgenaviator

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aviator493

There is no chance of the company coming to the table in the near future. There is no possible TA, the company doesn’t have to negotiate. Classes will continue because there are many cadets who sold their sold for $30,000 who are committed to working here. We also are an airline with little to no reserves and that’s very attractive to people who want to build time fast (as long as training doesn’t take forever). We aren’t hemorrhaging pilots, and won’t because now would be a horrible time to make a lateral and lose seniority. All of this, and probably more will keep this place staffed enough for the for seen future. Yes, I’d love better QOL, etc., but it’s not going to happen for a long time. Might as well at least get paid more to still suck.


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Flyinguy

No. The company grew by 30, because there was an announcement to grow by 30. That announcement, with pay raise, with 5 year flow brought people here.

This time, there is not a 5 year flow, nor 30 more jets announcement. Just a pay raise won’t help them at all. But it will give us more money.....and still have them coming back to us.





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All refusing money does, is prove you don’t have the leverage you say you have.

Taking the money will grow leverage....when the recruiting and retention sucks in the fall, even after pay raises.

Phoenix21

Yeah all 30 cadets the company has in the pipeline (out of their goal of 60) are going to solve all of Piedmont’s new hire recruitment problems

Another Captain Upgrade class got postponed officially, and the future classes for the summer have been halved in size. There are spare aircraft sitting around because there’s not enough crews to staff them and the company has several crews worth of resignations pending in addition to the flows coming up at the end of the month.

If the airline is staffed well enough as claimed then the pilot group should be seeing a flow increase, If staffing is critical the pilot group should be getting QOL increases. You can’t and management can’t have it both ways. Obviously there’s pressure on the company to fill classes and their forecast shows the well drying up, otherwise LH and the Chief pilots wouldn’t be engaging pilots in the crew room, imploring them to take the money.

Please tell us more about how the union should have just taken the money to solve all of the problems for the company and not tried to improve things for the pilot group.

flysooner9

I would love to eat my words later for yalls sake. However QOL improvements aren’t coming anytime in the immediate future. Company doesn’t have to hire much at all to cover attrition as most of you are to scared to give up the AA flow to move anywhere else especially NK or F9. Pretty sure they can scrounge together 7-10 new hires a month. Between cadets and people that want a Philly or Charlotte base easily and don’t want to spend time in TYS, DAY, etc.

The flow incentive is what killed your QOL at piedmont. It’s a sparkly carrot that attracts a lot of people then it makes you to scared to leave it behind.

Only way real change comes is if people start talking with their feet.

MantisToboggan

Weird that the two other companies with nearly identical flow deals have better quality of life than us.

Don't let the door hit you on your way out

Flyinguy

They should have and still should take the money. When the recruiting and retention stays the same or worsens, then we get the QOL you are now patiently waiting for....but get paid more while you wait.

The fact that y’all are so scared to take the money shows your bluff, and that is why you won’t get QOL right now.

How many times is the company right? We talk about how brilliant they are frequently. The company is wrong here as usual. Raises aren’t going to solve any problems and they are going to either be fired/replaced and/or come back to us with QOL when we will clearly have much more leverage. How. can you not see this?

There is no reason to come to PDT (other than maybe those already committed, but even they might realize they are better off going elsewhere and paying money back. Some of them might be waiting for the free ATP/CTP, then bolting, or a ATP cert then bolting) now, or after slight raises. The raises aren’t even matching other airlines! We will be going from crap pay, to slightly less crap pay, still well below our peers.

And that’s lower hourly pay after raise. Don’t forget the insanely huge soft pay gap that other companies have over us too. No one is coming here.....even after raises.

Lowest hourly rates, slowest training, worst QOL, lowest soft pay, longest flow, not expected to grow/take anymore jets....and all of that can be said now AND AFTER taking raises.

#TTM


Some people need a slap in the face/reality check. Oblivious management really thinks the raises will help save their jobs. Let’s face it, they aren’t begging us to TTM for our sake/benefit. Let’s give them a reality check, by taking the check, and watching nothing change. Maybe that will wake them up. They probably told AAG all they need is raises. AAG probably said, here is your chance to fix it, if you can’t, I’ll find someone that will. The company is that clueless......and apparently some of you are too.

ninerdriver

OK, folks... name an airline that recently took just the money and didn't receive a staffing rush shortly thereafter.

123494

The QOL improvements you're looking for will not happen overnight. The Company has repeatedly said the inefficient schedules exist because of the airports we serve, frequency of flights, and the short flights PDT does. Our ALPA has full access to scheduling software the Company uses and can produce little improvement. Ask yourself, as Year 2/3 CA, how it feels to park next to PSA knowing you're making $15-20 less per hour than they are. Class sizes are keeping up with the current hiring needs, so there is no need for any other improvements in their eyes. The pay increase is all that is needed to attract enough new hires and can prevent just enough outside attrition to run the operation. I feel I am treated well here and accepting this pay raise is a no brainer.