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04-24-2018 | 04:11 PM
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13 FO training washouts? Isn't that like 30% of the average class size?
This isn't the first month I've seen that. Last month was 11 I think.
People have asked in the past but I have to ask again -- is this normal?
Would love to know the causes for these latest washouts. Any flies on the wall care to comment?
This isn't the first month I've seen that. Last month was 11 I think.
People have asked in the past but I have to ask again -- is this normal?
Would love to know the causes for these latest washouts. Any flies on the wall care to comment?
04-24-2018 | 04:16 PM
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13 FO training washouts? Isn't that like 30% of the average class size?
This isn't the first month I've seen that. Last month was 11 I think.
People have asked in the past but I have to ask again -- is this normal?
Would love to know the causes for these latest washouts. Any flies on the wall care to comment?
This isn't the first month I've seen that. Last month was 11 I think.
People have asked in the past but I have to ask again -- is this normal?
Would love to know the causes for these latest washouts. Any flies on the wall care to comment?
B. Not necessarily washouts.
C. When you hire anyone who throws an app in, there's bound to be some culling in the classroom. I'll rephrase, there had better be some culling in the classroom.
04-24-2018 | 08:08 PM
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Yeah the whole thing about washing out of training... if everyone was making it through continuously, I’m not sure i’d be comfortable sitting in back. We’ve all met that guy or gal in aviation who somehow made it as far as they have miraculously unscathed. If anyone’s worried about that number that aren’t making it, believe me... it’s for a damn good reason.
The instructors will give you every opportunity to pass, even came in on days off to run through IPT before our actual scheduled lessons so we’d do better when it mattered. I get it though, as the well dries up... you’re going to have to sift some out from the bottom.
04-25-2018 | 04:26 AM
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Regarding FOs who left during training phase...
It is not a single class. It covers all phases including IOE (so 2-3 months span).
We can also speculate on various reasons for leaving. Just some on the top of my head (besides washing out) - personal issues, found a better offer somewhere else, if qualified for CA went to Envoy or Piedmont for a lot better bonus...
It is not a single class. It covers all phases including IOE (so 2-3 months span).
We can also speculate on various reasons for leaving. Just some on the top of my head (besides washing out) - personal issues, found a better offer somewhere else, if qualified for CA went to Envoy or Piedmont for a lot better bonus...
04-25-2018 | 05:03 AM
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1. Air Whiskey left so that's a plus
2. Piedmont has a big jet presence so that's a minus
3. Mainline is starting few more int'l destinations from PHL so that's a plus for the feeders
04-25-2018 | 05:52 AM
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I doubt PHL will become senior. The opening of PHL was a smart move for recruitment. It's strategic to keep PHL junior by increasing the lines and trips based on the pilot demand. If it gets senior, more lines and vacancies can be added to bring it back towards the junior side. DCA is proof of this model, it's not a big base but large enough to stay junior for captains and FOs.
For new comer planning purposes, I would assume you can get PHL shortly after training and hold it as a junior CA.
04-25-2018 | 04:18 PM
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The number of lines and PHL trips is not pegged to the amount of departures and block hours we have out of PHL. PHL trips can flow into other hubs just as CLT and DCA trips can flow into PHL.
I doubt PHL will become senior. The opening of PHL was a smart move for recruitment. It's strategic to keep PHL junior by increasing the lines and trips based on the pilot demand. If it gets senior, more lines and vacancies can be added to bring it back towards the junior side. DCA is proof of this model, it's not a big base but large enough to stay junior for captains and FOs.
For new comer planning purposes, I would assume you can get PHL shortly after training and hold it as a junior CA.
I doubt PHL will become senior. The opening of PHL was a smart move for recruitment. It's strategic to keep PHL junior by increasing the lines and trips based on the pilot demand. If it gets senior, more lines and vacancies can be added to bring it back towards the junior side. DCA is proof of this model, it's not a big base but large enough to stay junior for captains and FOs.
For new comer planning purposes, I would assume you can get PHL shortly after training and hold it as a junior CA.
for april and may i have a good amount of phl flying on the 700/900. some of it actually goes through dca and ord as well. finally some trips that aren't entirely the clt shuffle.
for ref. i am clt based and live there.
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