Originally Posted by Making it Count

I was just gathering info to try to make the most informed decision at this point. I realize everything could be different and understand the reason for the laughter about choosing RAH over PSA now, knowing that the industry has changed on a dime it seems.

Only skeletons, as someone mentioned, are checkride failures while getting both fixed wing and heli ratings (CFI/II in both). I almost wish I didn’t have my heli ratings and that would cut 2 fails off my resume, but it is what it is. Nothing I can do about them now. I have confidence in my ability but if I get weeded out of the initial interview due to failures, my ability then doesn’t mean squat because of primary checkride screw ups. Just need the chance to prove my ability over time of passing 121 checks at regionals.

AA isn’t really my number 1 choice. It’s probably number 3 after Fedex (IND base) and Delta (just because it seems like they got there stuff together).

I live 1 hr from Dayton and 2 hrs from CVG so PSA really is my best option. IND is 1.5 hrs.

Either way its a good time to be a pilot. I am grateful for that.

Thanks everyone for your response.

Originally Posted by Swakid8

Being able to drive to drive between both of CVG and DAY will be gold for ya plus they are both jr bases for us so you don't have to worry about being forced to upgrade out of that base too much to be honest.

Originally Posted by FlyingSlowly

Um...not quite. ALL the recent forced upgrades have been going to ORF. By my count, every last one of them from the previous three unfilled CA vacancy bids.

Originally Posted by Swakid8

That's correct, but I think things equal out by the time he is close to upgrading if he has no 121 time. Right now, things are out of wrack with the new bases opening up and forced upgrades forcing folks to do 2 leg commutes. But I do believe eventually, those guys will slide will be able to bid out of ORF back to CLT.Those who want to upgrade into ORF CA spots will and there has been a good number for guys/gals that are joining the company now for that ORF base.

For this gentleman, I don't see a reason why he won't be able to hold DAY, or CVG when its time for him to upgrade.

Originally Posted by FlyingSlowly

Um...not quite. ALL the recent forced upgrades have been going to ORF. By my count, every last one of them from the previous three unfilled CA vacancy bids.

Originally Posted by ZeroTT

Not convinced that would happen to someone who had a standing bid for DAY/CVG CA

Originally Posted by ACEssXfer

This.....

It absolutely blows my mind that someone would allow themselves to be senior manned. It's not a mystery that it's about to get to you. Put in a bid and save yourself the trouble. You may not get the base you want(CLT, TYS) but it's gotta be better than ORF for 95% of those who are senior manned.

Originally Posted by Approach1260

PSA's Union negotiating committee and MEC gave up first officer seniority and allowed pilots to be Senior Manned and "voluntarily" displaced out of base most often into a two leg commute.

They did so by signing an LOA that the pilot group was given zero notice of, and was never put up for a vote. They also allowed pilots to be Senior Manned into a closed upgrade bid.

The very concept of Senior Manning was one put forward by the Union not management.

So these days should everyone have their Captain bid in in order to try to avoid being moved out of base voluntarily? Absolutely, but it's ALPA and the MEC that put us in this position to begin with.

Originally Posted by 272922

I’ve heard that the NC didn’t have anything to do with the senior man deal.

And to be fair to the MEC, we got 10/month at the same time. But how people feel about that is up to them.

As for Flow, if American decided to get rid of flow they’d have to pay something close to Endeavor rates to get people to show up here, which is probably in large part due to the Charlie Foxtrot that is reserve and senior manning. Ain’t gonna happen.

Originally Posted by Approach1260

Travis told everyone that the senior man provision was their idea in the last conference call we had way way back when. It was recorded, and if you haven't heard it it really is worth a listen.

More flow is certainly good, but with a silent Union that traded first officer seniority to flow to mainline faster understandably makes a lot of people uneasy.