savedbythevnav

What's this "tier system" y'all are referring to? If it's what I think it is, we have it over at SkyWest and it's the most cucked system ever. You will rarely see a 150% trip there again, especially after we got reserve proffering.

irrelevant

Under the old system, which remains in effect until the changes are implemented, pilots could drop down to 65 hours of credit monthly, then pick up from open time for a minimum of 125% for every hour of credit above 65.

Under the new system, that is pending implementation, every pilot will only get paid straight time for hours flown between 65 and 75, then 125% for 75-85 hours, and 150% for hours above 85. It will benefit those who fly a lot, and never work the system, and further deincentivize those who work 65 hours a month from flying more.

BeechPilot33

What did you guys get in return for implementing a tier system that lowers your already low pay?

Thedude86

Take a wild guess.

PleaseComplete

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(actually not funny...)

Urban achiever

Ehhhh.... more like the current system is a 25% override of the lowest credit day added to all days of the trip that were originally off. For example, a ****ty 4 day trip worth 16hrs... if all 4 days are 4 hours, you’d get paid 20hrs. (4x125%)-4=1 hr sdo override for your lowest credit day. 1hr x 4 days = 4 additional hours.

If the hours were 6, 5, 3.5, and 1.5... the trip would pay 17.125 hrs. (1.5x125%)-1.5= .375 additional pay, multiplied by 4 days is additional sdo pay in addition to the trip credit.

Seriously it seems like the company purposely builds ****ty trips to avoid paying more sdo pay with the way the current system works. The only silver lining is that the lowest credit day won’t matter anymore in the new system. The drawback? Gotta work more than 75hrs... and reserve levels don’t trigger critical pay.

^that last sentence is where our union screwed up. If that language were left in the contract I’d be kinda happy about the new tier system but by excluding that... ouch. Now only the company can declare critical, or if the company starts junior manning but I gotta go back and check the exact language

Urban achiever

Most pilots will see a pay bump however the potential to earn more is taken away... we got enhanced reserve rules!!



Don’t ask me what they are though cause they haven’t come yet. But it’s going to be awesome, they’re right around the corner, and going to industry leading!!! (from over a year ago and we still have squat Incase sarcasm doesn’t transmit over the internet)

Thedude86

I understand what you’re saying, but the ones that will earn more, could earn even more now if they wanted to. They just choose not to.

Basically between the 2 systems there’s 3 levels of pay. Low, mid, and highest credit. (Not that it’s that much of a difference by PSA standards).

The current system can get you low if you want it or high if you want. The new system... mid is the best you can do and low is still there if you want max days off like the current system.

The company is 3 steps ahead of the union.

Thedude86

Its 125% of whatever you pick up. So if you pick up a 16 hour 4 day it will pay 20 hours no matter how much credit each day is.

I think youre getting confused by the lowest credit day part. That only applies if say you totally rearrange your schedule for the month during first come and first serve and you end up with 15 days off for example, but you started with 17 days off for the month. You lost 2 days off for the month so youre owed 2 days of SDO. But lets say the last trip trade or pickup was a 4 day trip. Since youre only owed 2 days of SDO you take the lowest 2 credit days of that last 4 day you traded for and multiply those 2 days by 125%.

It is confusing, but the company used it to their advantage. The new system is easier but it pays less.

I definitely agree with your critical pay statement though. Almost every other airline, including Mesa, pays 150%/200% for opentime pickup. We virtually eliminated our 150% critical pay and took our 125% down to around 110-120% depending on how many hours you work.

We were already one of the lowest paid airlines. We will become a lower paid airline when this gets implemented in April.

PleaseComplete

The biggest problem IMHO is the tiers not the idea.

Maybe some mathy type can figure out the amount of hours available per month divided by the amount of people that will be able to bid and hold more than 85 hrs. I'm going to guess the percentage is not that high.

That is why we need trip and duty rigs. This could actually work more in our favor if we had decent trip and duty rigs. More and achievable tiers also.

As it stands now... as you said it seems the company is three steps ahead of the Union. I wish it wasn't so US vs THEM... of course we will always differ on what is and what should be but as you also said - we were already solidly mid tier on pay and with everyone else making gains and us arguably going backwards we are solidly trending to the bottom...