Another pay comparison for new hires
01-07-2019 | 02:06 PM
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The biggest problem IMHO is the tiers not the idea.
Maybe some mathy type can figure out the amount of hours available per month divided by the amount of people that will be able to bid and hold more than 85 hrs. I'm going to guess the percentage is not that high.
That is why we need trip and duty rigs. This could actually work more in our favor if we had decent trip and duty rigs. More and achievable tiers also.
As it stands now... as you said it seems the company is three steps ahead of the Union. I wish it wasn't so US vs THEM... of course we will always differ on what is and what should be but as you also said - we were already solidly mid tier on pay and with everyone else making gains and us arguably going backwards we are solidly trending to the bottom...
Maybe some mathy type can figure out the amount of hours available per month divided by the amount of people that will be able to bid and hold more than 85 hrs. I'm going to guess the percentage is not that high.
That is why we need trip and duty rigs. This could actually work more in our favor if we had decent trip and duty rigs. More and achievable tiers also.
As it stands now... as you said it seems the company is three steps ahead of the Union. I wish it wasn't so US vs THEM... of course we will always differ on what is and what should be but as you also said - we were already solidly mid tier on pay and with everyone else making gains and us arguably going backwards we are solidly trending to the bottom...
01-08-2019 | 09:50 AM
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Under the old system, which remains in effect until the changes are implemented, pilots could drop down to 65 hours of credit monthly, then pick up from open time for a minimum of 125% for every hour of credit above 65.
Under the new system, that is pending implementation, every pilot will only get paid straight time for hours flown between 65 and 75, then 125% for 75-85 hours, and 150% for hours above 85. It will benefit those who fly a lot, and never work the system, and further deincentivize those who work 65 hours a month from flying more.
Under the new system, that is pending implementation, every pilot will only get paid straight time for hours flown between 65 and 75, then 125% for 75-85 hours, and 150% for hours above 85. It will benefit those who fly a lot, and never work the system, and further deincentivize those who work 65 hours a month from flying more.
Your new system seems like a bad deal unless you don't care about being at home with your family and block 100 a month.
01-08-2019 | 01:55 PM
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The biggest problem IMHO is the tiers not the idea.
Maybe some mathy type can figure out the amount of hours available per month divided by the amount of people that will be able to bid and hold more than 85 hrs. I'm going to guess the percentage is not that high.
That is why we need trip and duty rigs. This could actually work more in our favor if we had decent trip and duty rigs. More and achievable tiers also.
As it stands now... as you said it seems the company is three steps ahead of the Union. I wish it wasn't so US vs THEM... of course we will always differ on what is and what should be but as you also said - we were already solidly mid tier on pay and with everyone else making gains and us arguably going backwards we are solidly trending to the bottom...
Maybe some mathy type can figure out the amount of hours available per month divided by the amount of people that will be able to bid and hold more than 85 hrs. I'm going to guess the percentage is not that high.
That is why we need trip and duty rigs. This could actually work more in our favor if we had decent trip and duty rigs. More and achievable tiers also.
As it stands now... as you said it seems the company is three steps ahead of the Union. I wish it wasn't so US vs THEM... of course we will always differ on what is and what should be but as you also said - we were already solidly mid tier on pay and with everyone else making gains and us arguably going backwards we are solidly trending to the bottom...
01-08-2019 | 02:23 PM
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This new agreement will make those future pay raises close to cost neutral or at least very negligible compared to our present pay and contract.
01-08-2019 | 02:37 PM
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The tiers are kind of meh and the top end reward is kind of meh too. I take that back... they aspire to be meh.
So yea, could have went about it in a different way. This way could work if the tiers were different IMHO and/or backed by industry standard rigs would be even better IMHO.
01-09-2019 | 05:02 AM
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Many ways to skin a cat... I can see the idea as being sound - reward people who want to work.
The tiers are kind of meh and the top end reward is kind of meh too. I take that back... they aspire to be meh.
So yea, could have went about it in a different way. This way could work if the tiers were different IMHO and/or backed by industry standard rigs would be even better IMHO.
The tiers are kind of meh and the top end reward is kind of meh too. I take that back... they aspire to be meh.
So yea, could have went about it in a different way. This way could work if the tiers were different IMHO and/or backed by industry standard rigs would be even better IMHO.
01-09-2019 | 06:49 AM
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I like how on the employee site the latest company message states
“LOA #12 represents a true departure from the rest of the regional airline industry methodology regarding pilot pay, that we believe sets us apart in a positive way” then goes on to talk about the definition of “block to block” starting at door close and parking brake release.... uhhhhhh..... it would be easier to name the airlines that don’t use this method.
Then they talk about the new tier system that pays us less than what we currently have which was already severely lagging behind industry standard.
I would love to hear their definition of “most respected” and “a true departure from the rest of the regional airline industry”. Everyone else is in 2019 and we’re going back to 2014
“LOA #12 represents a true departure from the rest of the regional airline industry methodology regarding pilot pay, that we believe sets us apart in a positive way” then goes on to talk about the definition of “block to block” starting at door close and parking brake release.... uhhhhhh..... it would be easier to name the airlines that don’t use this method.
Then they talk about the new tier system that pays us less than what we currently have which was already severely lagging behind industry standard.
I would love to hear their definition of “most respected” and “a true departure from the rest of the regional airline industry”. Everyone else is in 2019 and we’re going back to 2014
01-09-2019 | 08:44 PM
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No company wants to raise hourly rates because then they’re locked in. Let’s say the economy takes a dump and now all of a sudden everyone is getting min guarantee lines. Under a tiered system, pilot costs go down because less people are flying into those higher paying tiers. With a pay raise, there’s no way to cut costs without a concessionary agreement.
01-10-2019 | 12:53 AM
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I like how on the employee site the latest company message states
“LOA #12 represents a true departure from the rest of the regional airline industry methodology regarding pilot pay, that we believe sets us apart in a positive way” then goes on to talk about the definition of “block to block” starting at door close and parking brake release.... uhhhhhh..... it would be easier to name the airlines that don’t use this method.
Then they talk about the new tier system that pays us less than what we currently have which was already severely lagging behind industry standard.
I would love to hear their definition of “most respected” and “a true departure from the rest of the regional airline industry”. Everyone else is in 2019 and we’re going back to 2014
“LOA #12 represents a true departure from the rest of the regional airline industry methodology regarding pilot pay, that we believe sets us apart in a positive way” then goes on to talk about the definition of “block to block” starting at door close and parking brake release.... uhhhhhh..... it would be easier to name the airlines that don’t use this method.
Then they talk about the new tier system that pays us less than what we currently have which was already severely lagging behind industry standard.
I would love to hear their definition of “most respected” and “a true departure from the rest of the regional airline industry”. Everyone else is in 2019 and we’re going back to 2014
01-10-2019 | 05:33 AM
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I thougt I read "with intention of getting underway" or something that implied we "shouldn't" just drop the parking brake to start the clock if we aren't about to push.
I'm also sure that's not how things will be done or how things are done elsewhere, and I'm sure the company is aware of that.
The brake release and door closed helps everyone's on-time departure numbers (ramp, gate, aircrew, company). The customers couldn't care less about an on-time departure, as long as we arrive on time or early. It's really a stupid metric they focus on.
I'm also sure that's not how things will be done or how things are done elsewhere, and I'm sure the company is aware of that.
The brake release and door closed helps everyone's on-time departure numbers (ramp, gate, aircrew, company). The customers couldn't care less about an on-time departure, as long as we arrive on time or early. It's really a stupid metric they focus on.
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