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08-11-2019, 06:46 AM
#132
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Thanks much. There’s considerable geographic flexibility, but the move to DAY/CVG is very intentional - 2 junior bases (and for both FO & CA) in close proximity and cities with reasonable costs of living & moderate populations (not large like many hub cities - DCA, PHL, DFW, ORD, LGA/JFK, MIA, etc). DAY/CVG also affords the opportunity to eventually get involved in training (or other roles) after flying the line a bunch initially. The plan would be to move again after PSA - we like the idea of living in DAY/CVG, but it’s also a practical/business trip.
I have more to learn about the Cadet program at PSA (I initially thought all 3 AAG WO’s had the same Cadet program, but PSA’s is very different than ENY’s). The one thing that seems clear is that the Cadet program isn’t leveraged by PSA nearly as much as it is by ENY so thanks a lot for sharing that (could really help me out toward earning an opportunity with PSA).
I have more to learn about the Cadet program at PSA (I initially thought all 3 AAG WO’s had the same Cadet program, but PSA’s is very different than ENY’s). The one thing that seems clear is that the Cadet program isn’t leveraged by PSA nearly as much as it is by ENY so thanks a lot for sharing that (could really help me out toward earning an opportunity with PSA).
Originally Posted by WhiteMorpheus
It sounds like your location is flexible. It is my understanding that the cadet program is only available to flight instructors. Prior to committing to any cadet program, I'd obtain my Commercial certificate.
Once you have the Commercial you can better decide between getting a job as SIC with a company, as described in Part 61.159(c), or getting your instructor certificates. If you choose flight instruction then you might further consider the cadet program.
If you don't get a seniority number any earlier as a cadet, I'd encourage you to do whatever will get you an ATP the quickest. A six month delay in getting to the airlines can easily cost you $150k, or more.
There were exactly zero cadets in my new hire class two years ago. That was during what was probably the biggest hiring boom PSA will ever see. I don't see PSA using the cadet program as a primary pool of candidates. If the economy takes a downturn programs that cost money will be the first to go (Cadet, RTP, bonuses, maybe even the company paid ATP/CTP). If there were two candidates and one was "free" while the other cost $20k+ which would you choose?
Again, it sounds like you have some freedom to move around, so unless I'm missing some important piece of information, why not just plan to move multiple times? You won't want to be in CVG/DAY for almost any other PAX carrier, so once you move on from PSA you'd be moving again to avoid a commute. Once you have the job, find which base you like as an FO and move there then do the same when you upgrade. Plan to move to base or plan to commute, but don't plan on things being the same in 3 years as they are today.
Disclaimer: I don't know all the particulars of PSA's cadet program.
Once you have the Commercial you can better decide between getting a job as SIC with a company, as described in Part 61.159(c), or getting your instructor certificates. If you choose flight instruction then you might further consider the cadet program.
If you don't get a seniority number any earlier as a cadet, I'd encourage you to do whatever will get you an ATP the quickest. A six month delay in getting to the airlines can easily cost you $150k, or more.
There were exactly zero cadets in my new hire class two years ago. That was during what was probably the biggest hiring boom PSA will ever see. I don't see PSA using the cadet program as a primary pool of candidates. If the economy takes a downturn programs that cost money will be the first to go (Cadet, RTP, bonuses, maybe even the company paid ATP/CTP). If there were two candidates and one was "free" while the other cost $20k+ which would you choose?
Again, it sounds like you have some freedom to move around, so unless I'm missing some important piece of information, why not just plan to move multiple times? You won't want to be in CVG/DAY for almost any other PAX carrier, so once you move on from PSA you'd be moving again to avoid a commute. Once you have the job, find which base you like as an FO and move there then do the same when you upgrade. Plan to move to base or plan to commute, but don't plan on things being the same in 3 years as they are today.
Disclaimer: I don't know all the particulars of PSA's cadet program.
08-11-2019, 02:46 PM
#133
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I wouldn't want it to sound like I'm trashing Cadet programs. I never used one so I couldn't tell you the first thing about it. What I can tell however is that throughout the history of the regional airlines the "best" regional to work for changes with the seasons.
Overall, I'm happy at PSA. I kind of took a chance when I was hired. The company people that talked at my Indoc seemed sincere and wanted to make good changes. It got a little dark for a while and new communicative Union leadership along with some substantial changes made the whole thing worthwhile.
Could that change ? Probably, but I hope not.
All that said, I wouldn't lock myself into anything personally in regards to a Cadet deal.
You sound like you have a decent plan. Make a few more decent plans. When the time comes make the best decision for you is and don't look back.
Overall, I'm happy at PSA. I kind of took a chance when I was hired. The company people that talked at my Indoc seemed sincere and wanted to make good changes. It got a little dark for a while and new communicative Union leadership along with some substantial changes made the whole thing worthwhile.
Could that change ? Probably, but I hope not.
All that said, I wouldn't lock myself into anything personally in regards to a Cadet deal. You sound like you have a decent plan. Make a few more decent plans. When the time comes make the best decision for you is and don't look back.
08-11-2019, 03:19 PM
#134
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Thanks a lot. I’m definitely working hard to evaluate other options and monitor changes in the industry and individual regionals’ situations - I understand how dynamic things have been and will be. That being said, I’m also trying to get into a situation that is really solid fundamentally. I’m still learning & exploring PSA & its Cadet program based on what I value.
Reserve times increasing across the board with further increases likely/possible (or, at the very least, expected by many at this point) seems disconcerting, but also begs the question of why AAG and PSA have grown the size of the pilot to this level & continue hiring robustly...
Reserve times increasing across the board with further increases likely/possible (or, at the very least, expected by many at this point) seems disconcerting, but also begs the question of why AAG and PSA have grown the size of the pilot to this level & continue hiring robustly...
Originally Posted by JayBee
I wouldn't want it to sound like I'm trashing Cadet programs. I never used one so I couldn't tell you the first thing about it. What I can tell however is that throughout the history of the regional airlines the "best" regional to work for changes with the seasons.
Overall, I'm happy at PSA. I kind of took a chance when I was hired. The company people that talked at my Indoc seemed sincere and wanted to make good changes. It got a little dark for a while and new communicative Union leadership along with some substantial changes made the whole thing worthwhile.
Could that change ? Probably, but I hope not. All that said, I wouldn't lock myself into anything personally in regards to a Cadet deal.
You sound like you have a decent plan. Make a few more decent plans. When the time comes make the best decision for you is and don't look back.
Overall, I'm happy at PSA. I kind of took a chance when I was hired. The company people that talked at my Indoc seemed sincere and wanted to make good changes. It got a little dark for a while and new communicative Union leadership along with some substantial changes made the whole thing worthwhile.
Could that change ? Probably, but I hope not.
All that said, I wouldn't lock myself into anything personally in regards to a Cadet deal. You sound like you have a decent plan. Make a few more decent plans. When the time comes make the best decision for you is and don't look back.
08-13-2019, 04:40 AM
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Originally Posted by JayBee
I wouldn't want it to sound like I'm trashing Cadet programs. I never used one so I couldn't tell you the first thing about it. What I can tell however is that throughout the history of the regional airlines the "best" regional to work for changes with the seasons.
Overall, I'm happy at PSA. I kind of took a chance when I was hired. The company people that talked at my Indoc seemed sincere and wanted to make good changes. It got a little dark for a while and new communicative Union leadership along with some substantial changes made the whole thing worthwhile.
Could that change ? Probably, but I hope not. All that said, I wouldn't lock myself into anything personally in regards to a Cadet deal.
You sound like you have a decent plan. Make a few more decent plans. When the time comes make the best decision for you is and don't look back.
Overall, I'm happy at PSA. I kind of took a chance when I was hired. The company people that talked at my Indoc seemed sincere and wanted to make good changes. It got a little dark for a while and new communicative Union leadership along with some substantial changes made the whole thing worthwhile.
Could that change ? Probably, but I hope not.
All that said, I wouldn't lock myself into anything personally in regards to a Cadet deal. You sound like you have a decent plan. Make a few more decent plans. When the time comes make the best decision for you is and don't look back.
PSA and the other AA wholly owneds are being pulled along by a bungie cord. We all of a sudden get yanked up to where we should be, then we gradually fall back behind the rest of the industry only to get yanked back up again out of nowhere.
08-27-2019, 05:29 AM
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Originally Posted by Cordova
Is groundschool in CLT? It's my understanding that sims are in CVG, but I wasn't sure where the schoolhouse is located.
08-28-2019, 06:59 PM
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Originally Posted by drjfly
Hello. I just submitted my application yesterday to PSA on Airline Apps. I am very qualified. Curious how long I should expect it to be before I hear from them for a potential interview.
08-29-2019, 04:23 AM
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Originally Posted by drjfly
Hello. I just submitted my application yesterday to PSA on Airline Apps. I am very qualified. Curious how long I should expect it to be before I hear from them for a potential interview.
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