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boxthrower 03-22-2021 09:21 AM


Originally Posted by tonsterboy5 (Post 3210108)
why do people still have this logic? If there is only enough flying for x number slots for captains, the base you want, lines, or whatever, it doesn’t matter how many people are under because you will never move into one of those desirable spots until people leave them. You gain seniority by people leaving above you. Go to somewhere where people regularly move from on top of you. Look at expressjet before shutdown, they had tons of new people but upgrades still took 5+ years, know why? Cause no one left at the top. People kept cycling through the bottom but the movement needs to happen at the top (or at least above you) to move up.


Before covid PSA was the place to go for this. There was constant movement at the time and nothing was slowing it down. There is even movement now

ZeroTT 03-22-2021 10:02 AM

In a company that isn’t growing you eventually need people above you leaving to gain seniority. That’s one advantage of a flowing flow.

But in a growing company you can indeed make real gains solely with people below you.

colonials13 03-22-2021 11:04 AM


Originally Posted by Dixie320 (Post 3210116)
A friend of mine received this email recently. He meets ATP mins, and has been flying turbine 135 in jets and king airs.

Is anyone who applied a week ago hearing anything?

RJDriver900 03-22-2021 11:20 AM


Originally Posted by tonsterboy5 (Post 3210108)
why do people still have this logic? If there is only enough flying for x number slots for captains, the base you want, lines, or whatever, it doesn’t matter how many people are under because you will never move into one of those desirable spots until people leave them. You gain seniority by people leaving above you. Go to somewhere where people regularly move from on top of you. Look at expressjet before shutdown, they had tons of new people but upgrades still took 5+ years, know why? Cause no one left at the top. People kept cycling through the bottom but the movement needs to happen at the top (or at least above you) to move up.

I am quite aware how you gain seniority at an airline. It is a no brainer that in order to gain a line or move up you either need people senior to you to leave or for the airline to gain flying and aircraft so there is an increase in lines. Pre covid there was tons of movement at PSA. In a covid environment where there are few regionals hiring, and hiring industry wide being stagnant with a surplus of pilots, are you really going to tell a CFI that its a bad idea to get on a seniority list sooner rather than later if given that opportunity? Regardless of the fact they will be on reserve which is going to be anywhere they go right now.

Look at companies like Envoy or even here at PSA in regards to furloughs. The quicker you get on and the quicker you get people under you the higher your position in case furloughs happen again. I have a buddy who took a sooner class date at Envoy when he was offered it instead of his original one. He took it to get more people underneath him and guess what he barely made the cut of not being furloughed. So yes I stick by the get on where you can and get people underneath you mindset even more so with as many regionals that have gone under and pilots looking for gigs . Especially as a CFI if given the opportunity to get a type rating instead of burning laps in the pattern. A 121 pilot with a type even sitting reserve with little 121 time is a better position to be than flying GA in a pattern where the hours are useless if your end goal is airlines.

Swakid8 03-22-2021 12:41 PM


Originally Posted by tonsterboy5 (Post 3210108)
why do people still have this logic? If there is only enough flying for x number slots for captains, the base you want, lines, or whatever, it doesn’t matter how many people are under because you will never move into one of those desirable spots until people leave them. You gain seniority by people leaving above you. Go to somewhere where people regularly move from on top of you. Look at expressjet before shutdown, they had tons of new people but upgrades still took 5+ years, know why? Cause no one left at the top. People kept cycling through the bottom but the movement needs to happen at the top (or at least above you) to move up.

Folks who are trying to avoid being furlough fodders. Regards to seniority the movement above you and numbers below you both matter.

tonsterboy5 03-22-2021 05:54 PM


Originally Posted by RJDriver900 (Post 3210177)
I am quite aware how you gain seniority at an airline. It is a no brainer that in order to gain a line or move up you either need people senior to you to leave or for the airline to gain flying and aircraft so there is an increase in lines. Pre covid there was tons of movement at PSA. In a covid environment where there are few regionals hiring, and hiring industry wide being stagnant with a surplus of pilots, are you really going to tell a CFI that its a bad idea to get on a seniority list sooner rather than later if given that opportunity? Regardless of the fact they will be on reserve which is going to be anywhere they go right now.

Look at companies like Envoy or even here at PSA in regards to furloughs. The quicker you get on and the quicker you get people under you the higher your position in case furloughs happen again. I have a buddy who took a sooner class date at Envoy when he was offered it instead of his original one. He took it to get more people underneath him and guess what he barely made the cut of not being furloughed. So yes I stick by the get on where you can and get people underneath you mindset even more so with as many regionals that have gone under and pilots looking for gigs . Especially as a CFI if given the opportunity to get a type rating instead of burning laps in the pattern. A 121 pilot with a type even sitting reserve with little 121 time is a better position to be than flying GA in a pattern where the hours are useless if your end goal is airlines.

I get getting on a seniority list is great, but again it has nothing to do with how many are below you but how many are above you. If an airline only has flying for 300 people they will furlough everyone after 300, it makes no difference whether they have 301 or 2000 pilots, they will furlough everyone but the top 300. The only way to get to the top 300 is if everyone above you cycles out and you get into the top 300. Look at expressjet, compass and tsa. Everyone was furloughed because they had no flying. Seniority is always relative to how long you have been there. It’s all a crapshoot, yes you want to get in as seniority is everything, but in general 3 years of seniority is the same regardless of when you join when there is constant steady movement.

saltbae 03-22-2021 06:58 PM

Buddy of mine did his HR interview last Friday and he applied off the street. Only update I’ve heard for street applicants.

desertfly3r 03-22-2021 07:18 PM


Originally Posted by colonials13 (Post 3210173)
Is anyone who applied a week ago hearing anything?

I applied 3/12 and received the email asking for additional info (flight time) this morning. I don't have ATP/CTP completed, 1530 hours TT.

AkPilot99 03-22-2021 10:24 PM


Originally Posted by desertfly3r (Post 3210434)
I applied 3/12 and received the email asking for additional info (flight time) this morning. I don't have ATP/CTP completed, 1530 hours TT.

I received the same email. I have 1540 hours TT. Over 700 hours as an instructor and over 400 hours Part 135 PIC. No ATP/CTP and applied the same time as you. What does this mean? Hopefully getting closer to the next steps? 🙏🏼

update:

my app status is under review in the ICIMS portal.


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