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Old 09-19-2013 | 07:27 PM
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Originally Posted by TMoney
I don't know anyone at psa to get a read on the attitude of most the psa guys.
I'll help you out.

After talking with my fellow PSA pilots I estimate the vote is about 5 to 3 against this TA.

I am cautiously optimistic that it will be voted down.
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Old 09-19-2013 | 07:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Jetstream 823JS
I'll help you out.

After talking with my fellow PSA pilots I estimate the vote is about 5 to 3 against this TA.

I am cautiously optimistic that it will be voted down.






For the sake of everyone in this industry, I truly hope you're right!
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Old 09-19-2013 | 07:50 PM
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Originally Posted by PeopleMover90
Whether we say yes or not someone will.

It's the regionals people. Get a life. This IS the new norm.
How sad. You're as stupid as Parker wants you to be. He won; this might actually pass.

God help us all.
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Old 09-19-2013 | 08:57 PM
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Unfortunately if this does get voted down the acft are going to go to a carrier that has a lesser contract than us even after these significant concessions.(Mesa, Republic.)

In those 2 cases pilots will not get a vote. JO or The Rev will just say "yep we'll take em."

Don't take this as koolaid or whatever else you guys are gonna jump down my throat for. It is a FACT. The bar gets lowered either way due to PSA taking concessions, or more jobs(more acft to bring down avgs) going to bottom feeder contract airlines.

I'm still a no, but no matter what this situation sucks for PSA, regardless of the outcome.

I know its easy for you STW, pound your chest in management's face types to say....."hold the line." However, when it is YOUR job/family/livelihood/food on the table out there for a vote, its not as easy a choice as you all make it out to be. I know this because I was one of those chest pounders. So you can all quit with the "friendly advice."
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Old 09-19-2013 | 09:24 PM
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You may think it's a fact, but that doesn't make it true. If all regional pilot groups from here on out just say no, then the race to the bottom will eventually be stopped. There is a dwindling supply of pilots willing and able to work for the Regional airlines. Eventually, supply and demand will kick in.
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Old 09-19-2013 | 09:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Gofish
^^^^^^^ gets it.
^^^^^^^ Also gets it
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Old 09-19-2013 | 10:41 PM
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Originally Posted by pagey
Unfortunately if this does get voted down the acft are going to go to a carrier that has a lesser contract than us even after these significant concessions.(Mesa, Republic.)

In those 2 cases pilots will not get a vote. JO or The Rev will just say "yep we'll take em."

Don't take this as koolaid or whatever else you guys are gonna jump down my throat for. It is a FACT. The bar gets lowered either way due to PSA taking concessions, or more jobs(more acft to bring down avgs) going to bottom feeder contract airlines.

I'm still a no, but no matter what this situation sucks for PSA, regardless of the outcome.

I know its easy for you STW, pound your chest in management's face types to say....."hold the line." However, when it is YOUR job/family/livelihood/food on the table out there for a vote, its not as easy a choice as you all make it out to be. I know this because I was one of those chest pounders. So you can all quit with the "friendly advice."
God help us.

And how do you propose the Reverend and Orenstool are going to staff them?

Do you know what a grass roots effort is and what it stands for?

What sacrifices are you willing to make to see pilots finally have management by the short hairs?

Its evident that you will sacrifice pay and benefits while inflation picks away at your abrogated contract for the next decade. For what? The glory of a 900? So DAY can continue to call the shots and violate your CBA?

The fear and self loathing is simply nauseating.
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Old 09-20-2013 | 02:49 AM
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Yup, Republic is going to stand up a CRJ operation just to take airplanes that PSA could have gotten if the pilots had just BOHICA'd.

Because RJET's Q400 operation is currently running so smoothly and their previous CRJ experience worked out so well for them.

And Mesa...how do you figger they are going to staff those E-Jets they just got for United, let alone a bunch of additional CRJs for Airways?

Airways can do whatever they want to PSA; they can do it now, and they can do it in the future should this CBA get ratified. That's the downside of being wholly owned; did you people pay no attention to how Comair unwound during and after Delta's bankruptcy?
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Old 09-20-2013 | 03:21 AM
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Originally Posted by pagey
Unfortunately if this does get voted down the acft are going to go to a carrier that has a lesser contract than us even after these significant concessions.(Mesa, Republic.)

In those 2 cases pilots will not get a vote. JO or The Rev will just say "yep we'll take em."

Don't take this as koolaid or whatever else you guys are gonna jump down my throat for. It is a FACT. The bar gets lowered either way due to PSA taking concessions, or more jobs(more acft to bring down avgs) going to bottom feeder contract airlines.

I'm still a no, but no matter what this situation sucks for PSA, regardless of the outcome.

I know its easy for you STW, pound your chest in management's face types to say....."hold the line." However, when it is YOUR job/family/livelihood/food on the table out there for a vote, its not as easy a choice as you all make it out to be. I know this because I was one of those chest pounders. So you can all quit with the "friendly advice."
Great post.
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Old 09-20-2013 | 04:18 AM
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Originally Posted by pagey
Unfortunately if this does get voted down the acft are going to go to a carrier that has a lesser contract than us even after these significant concessions.(Mesa, Republic.)

In those 2 cases pilots will not get a vote. JO or The Rev will just say "yep we'll take em."

Don't take this as koolaid or whatever else you guys are gonna jump down my throat for. It is a FACT. The bar gets lowered either way due to PSA taking concessions, or more jobs(more acft to bring down avgs) going to bottom feeder contract airlines.

I'm still a no, but no matter what this situation sucks for PSA, regardless of the outcome.

I know its easy for you STW, pound your chest in management's face types to say....."hold the line." However, when it is YOUR job/family/livelihood/food on the table out there for a vote, its not as easy a choice as you all make it out to be. I know this because I was one of those chest pounders. So you can all quit with the "friendly advice."
You do understand that both those companies are in contract negotiations and are trying to RAISE the bar from what they have, not LOWER it...
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