You guys need to get your act together and stop stabbing eachother in the back. Management uses your fear against you

They can't fill classes. And when they can, they can't retain guys. They know that most if you will be hired at mainlines over the next several years.

They need larger planes so they can carry the same ASM's with fewer pilots needed... Because they won't have them. They also know you will eventually figure out that you had them by the short hairs; which is why they're trying to get new long term contracts now while they can. Why else would management want new contracts when they are already profitable and have signed contracts.

Being threatened with being shut down? Yeah sure, to be replaced by whom? Nobody is hiring and retaining regional pilots. They're leaving as fast as they're hired. Who cares if classes are full... Your seniority lists are shrinking.

The eagle guys took a stand; they could have sold others out but didn't. If EVERYBODY says no to concessions then management has nowhere else to go. Grow up and do what's right; vote no. .

 

What do you want next? World peace???

Eagle pilot group voted in concession not too long ago. Their MEC voted the TA down which everyone commends but if the vote went out to the pilots, their pilot group would also be split. If anything, eagle is too big to shut down tomorrow. PSA would be like a fart in the wind if we were to shut down tomorrow. There's plenty of guys to fill our flying. Air whiskey's contract is up in 2015, PDT wouldn't mind a new fleet, and Mesa, republic, and Skywest would say yes in a heartbeat. Regionals is a dying model which will dwindle down on its own. Promoting that the pilots can take a stand at regional level to make a difference is silly. I hoped our MEC would've said no but their stance is to let the pilot group decide, which I can assure you more than half the pilots at eagle wished their MEC did the same. It makes me laugh when some of the eagle guys act all high and mighty that their MEC said no when in secret, they're upset but hey, might as well look good out of this bad situation. And I have many close friends at eagle so I respect their group as much as ours but let's face the reality. By the way I voted no to PSA TA. Wasn't easy decision but I felt like it was the right thing to do. But I understand 100% why someone will vote yes.

 

What a terrible thing to say. Be more positive and try to be part of the solution. I think you'll be surprised how powerful our message can be. Everyone that is a part of the STW movement (just shy of 4000 on the fb page) is trying to be united with you to improve pay and qol for everybody (you included). You think all those people are silly? I'm glad you voted no! Maybe there is hope

 

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The primary objective right now should be reaching out to PSA in any way available to encourage them to vote NO.

Skywest was in negotiations, and the company halted negotiations at the last minute, specifically citing the fact that they want to see what happens with PSA first, and they they feel they are being to generous to Skywest pilots.

RAH has been in negotiations for years already and is also waiting to see what happens.

The mass retirements at mainlines are over a 12 year period, most will be in the next 8 years.

Is there any guess why managements are demanding long term contracts? Why managements are using every scare tactic in the book to get new long term contracts.

PSA has a valid contract. Their company is profitable already. Their company is not in bankruptcy.

If PSA accepts a new concessionary contract, outside of section six, that will carry them through the mainline retirements.... then the pressure will be on Mesa, Skywest and RAH next to at least match if not beat them to "remain competative."

It's total BS and everybody except PSA seems to know it.

You guys need to call your friends, email them, whatever... and get the word out that the PSA TA is a bad joke and should be treated accordingly.

It guarantees no aircraft until 2015, and even then, they only need accept delivery of 1 plane to meet the contractual requirements.

It doesn't guarantee growth, or upgrades, since there is nothign to say these aren't replacement aircraft... which they most likely really are.

Their health insurance contribution goes to 35%

They get no flow through, just interviews... and if not hired they become pay frozen forever.

12 year pay becomes the new top step CA longevity rate. 4 year pay is the cap for FO's... and you become frozen as soon as you interview at mainline and are not hired.

Why sell your soul for interview rights when the vast majority of Airways pilots will retire over the next 10 years, as will the majority of ALL mainline pilots. There is ZERO reason for anybody to give concessions for interview rights; since anybody wanting to go to a mainline, isn't going to have any trouble going.


Yes, ALPA National is run by a bunch or mainline pilots who are betting that by increasing mainline profits they will be able to extract more money from their companies for mainline pilots.

It is now painfully obvious, that they will help their companies become more profitable even if it means throwing regional pilots under the bus.

After Moak's letter I think it's an open and shut DFR case.... however, the immediate focus needs to be on PSA since their voting closes in 9 days.

 

Why are people even entertaining this TA? It guarantees no growth aircraft. You guys could receive ONE plane and the language in the TA would be satisfied. Hell if the TA actually said 10, 20, 30 or whatever additional aircraft and kept your current aircraft on line for the next X amount of years I could understand a yes vote. If it actually had flow through instead of a interview that would freeze your longevity I would understand a yes vote. This TA is completely worthless and the fact that it has such a long duration makes it even worse.

 

Yep, a classic suckers play so the crooked camel can get his nose in the tent flap. If he can, 4 years from now he'll be lounging on the cot with the former occupants (regional pilots) outside in the cold. Will this pilot group see this for what it REALLY is or short-sightedly take the bait ?

We shall see.

 

Skyxbomb, ever since the aftermath of 911 our management has complained about Eagle's pilots costs. The company would often cite others regional pilot costs compared to ours. We only gave into concessions once the company went into bankruptcy. My understanding is PSA is a profitable company. Your comparison to Eagle's pilot is invalid.

 

Let's backup a second, there were no two ways about it, a concessionary contract was coming to Eagle no matter what due to bankruptcy. Whether it was voted in or imposed by the court via the 1113 term sheet, it was coming. To my knowledge there has never been a labor group within aviation that was in bankruptcy that has not given up at least something that would otherwise be considered concessionary...some more than others.

What the Eagle pilots did NOT do was vote in another concessionary contract AFTER they already signed one.

Why would a pilot group vote for a contract just to turn back a few months later and vote in a worse one is beyond me. PSA is not bankrupt and would be voluntarily accepting a concessionary contract. Apparently any yes voters feel they are over paid and over appreciated, thereby needing lesser pay.

Hopefully the trend will continue if in fact the PSA group votes no and other regional's will fall in line. That is the only hope.

 

This is not about L-Eagle. This is about PSA.

Its all in y'alls hands.....

 

Keep this in mind PSA pilots... ALPA is supposed to operate by this agreement among others. Were you fairly represented with this TA?

ie: "5. Insurance plan protection:

a. Medical and life insurance benefits should be provided on a non-contributory basis, but if conditions persist which do not allow non-contributory plans, provisions shall be obtained to minimize fixed contributions and cap contributions that are subject to escalation. All available arrangements or plans should be utilized to provide for any required pilot contributions to be made on a pre-tax basis."