I am shocked at the number of PSA guys defending this TA. You reap what you sow. I hope that all you "yes" voters get stuck at PSA under the TA that you intend to vote in. This TA is pathetic at best.

 

You are totally disposable because you choose to be.

Quite the opposite is the truth.

Leverage this to your collective advantage. Just as management leverages your fear.

 

What burns me is that we signed a contract 4 months ago where our MEC assured us that it was a competitive contract that would help us to secure larger airplanes in the future. Now he says this TA is the only way we are going to get larger airplanes.
So was he lying to us then or lying to us now?

 

I agree completely that the reasoned conversations to spread ideas and information on a forum like this gets lost thanks to those who insult, mock, attack, etc. I'm sure we will never fully get away from that sort of behavior because so many posters on here can't get away from it. Maybe it's how they get their "fix" I hope you don't take my post as an attack. I respect your opinion and and want to respectfully give mine so we can all work together to help each other out!

I'm curious to know what about the contract you like. Someone mentioned the fact that you will have a flow through to a major and I hope the point is made that there is no flow through. It's just an interview. The two are very different.

I would hope, however, that the reasons for voting "no" have been very well made because it seems to me that the best way to improve your paycheck and quality of life is to say no to this contract.

The other great thing is that if everyone votes no then we can improve paychecks and quality of life for pilots at all the regionals! It's an idea and movement that requires everyone to be on board, however. If Eagle says we won't take a concession and then PSA says we won't take a concession (I hope the point has been made that this is a concession with the pay freezes and no flow through), then Mesa says we won't take a concession, and on an on, then we can send a message to management at all airlines. We can send a very powerful and positive message.

Would you agree that you and your fellow PSA coworkers deserve better pay and work rules? If you are worried about the future of your company, look at the financial situation of the US Airways Group. "So if you adjust for that and look at the pre-tax number and look at pretax, excluding special items, what you will see is we had a record $409 million pretax profit for the quarter. We're extremely pleased with that." That is a quote from the 2013 Q2 conference call. You deserve to get a portion of that income. We should be getting raises! The airlines are making money right now. Lots of it. SkyWest Inc reported a profit of 20 million in the last quarter. I will NOT take any sort of concession and I would hope you feel the same. It's a slap in the face of all of us that we don't compensated when our hard work is rewarded with asking to give up more money. You deserve better than that. We all do.

No pilot group will undercut your pay and work rules to get your flying if everyone stands firm and votes no to a contract like the one you are voting on right now. We need everyone to do it. What about this idea to improve our QOL and wages do you not like? Do you not see how this could be a good thing? It's great to see how we can all help each other! If I get offered a concessionary contract like the one you are voting on now, I will be the first one in line to say "no" I will not work for less money just to get flying that was supposed to go to PSA. I know the 3885 pilots on the whipsaw facebook page would do the same and it gives me hope! Lets make it 3886 or 4000 or 6000!

If you are still unsure, I ask you to watch the video:

https://www.facebook.com/video/embed...51825060027518

In the video you will hear exactly how management takes the flying from Eagle (because they said no to taking a paycut and degraded QOL) and now offer it to you with a paycut and degraded QOL. Everyone say no so that management can't keep doing this! They have the money to pay us better. Lets force them to do so!

I look forward to calm, rational and reasoned responses

 

Great post. This is our goal. It is not impossible to think everyone could stand up for this profession in a time of profit as we now find ourselves.

We hate to see the mud slinging and name calling but there are always those who will react this way when they feel they are not being heard. I can't censor all of the comments on the FB page but some have been removed for just that reason. While it is painful to see people vote yes out of fear, it is understandable as many of us have been faced with that difficult decision. Just know that thousands of us have done the right thing or will do the right thing and stand up to protect our pay and work rules as well as our brothers and sisters at other regionals.

While we would be disappointed to see this get passed, we won't condone blocking jumpseats and such in retaliation for undercutting your own contract and many in your industry.

 

Nephew at Eagle was given this by one of their union volunteers, he then sent it to me:

 

Are you a management troll?

All regionals are already having trouble hiring; so you're not disposable... Far from it, you are now a valuable commodity... But they don't want you to know that.
Opens the door for career improvement.... You mean jobs at every mainline company that are on the verge of gigantic mass retirements; so there will be plenty of jobs without even having to get flow thru programs.
They need you more than you need them; but they're afraid to let you know that.
Growth? Read that TA... No guarantee of growth; it's far more likely replacement aircraft... Look at how many years they have to even give you just 1 plane.
Check your concessions on your healthcare while you're at it.

RAH has been without a contract in section six for years. They are refusing to accept a crappy concessionary contract. Eagle, still in bankruptcy, is refusing to accept concessions for more planes. Do the right thing and join the party of regional pilots finally fed up enough to day NO; even when their national union is working for the company to say yes.

The industry dynamics have changed. They can't fill your seats anymore like they could before. The advantage is yours for the first time in decades.

Don't waste it.

 

Can someone clarify:

I've been trying to find an answer in this TA but can't- if this passes, unlike now where we can apply as a regular pilot, the ONLY way to get to mainline is to interview in seniority order? Aka a pilot decides to apply to mainline. There's no way he could get an interview as a normal applicant? Or we are all locked in to waiting our turn.

Thanks

 

This TA doesn't even guarantee growth correct? What are you all voting yes for then? Fear? The company will be willing to tell you anything in order to produce a yes vote. Why don't you all look at the state of the industry and realize that there is a huge shortage coming to the regionals. By voting yes to this contract, you're screwing the rest of the industry and future pilots.

 

You've discovered the dirty little secret to interview programs... They're meaningless. In this case, with the number of US retirements you won't need interview programs, and as you discovered... It actually might hurt.

So, if somebody applies and bypasses more senior PSA guys who were waiting for their interview... Will the more senior guy be able to sue saying they violated the interview program by bypassing seniority?

It only took the APA and ALPA 13 years to resolve their flow program...

Go ahead, don't learn from the mistakes of others.

Your company is crazy profitable; you should be getting raises, not concessions. If you can't get a raise when they're profitable... Then when will you ever?

Good grief, stop buying into management BS.