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#3501
Congrats to all the PSA folks. Hopefully this additional flying cuts the time off it'll take you to get to a major. No one should be *****!ng about the pay scales/longevity as no kne should be at a Regional longer than 3-5 years...going FORWARD. The last 10 years was an anamoly. From now on any FO stuck in 4th yr pay is there by choice or ineptitude. Anyone else that doesn't have a degree, record or skill set to pass an interview needs to exit the career field.
While your peers at the other Regionals may laugh and call you names, your career earrings will outpace thiers by a couple hundred grand. Is that worth a lousy contract now? YES!
While your peers at the other Regionals may laugh and call you names, your career earrings will outpace thiers by a couple hundred grand. Is that worth a lousy contract now? YES!
This is called verbal di*rhea. Lock it up
#3502
Thank you PSA!!!!!!
Merry Xmas
December 20, 2013
Message from the Chairman
Fellow Eagle Pilots:
Yesterday we received a formal proposal from Eagle Management regarding the placement of large RJs on our property in exchange for additional concessions to achieve the company’s structure objectives. The proposal is extensive and touches a number of sections in our collective bargaining agreement. We briefed the MEC immediately following the meeting and engaged in a very spirited debate on the merits of the proposed changes. The MEC debate on a response will continue up through our meeting on January 2nd when the MEC will determine how to respond to Eagle management. To allow you the opportunity to advise your LEC representatives, the following is a general summary of their offer:
Potential Upside
The company would agree to increase the "metering" commitment under the existing 824 agreement from 20 to 30 beginning in September 2014. They would still send 20 per month or 50% of the AA new hire classes until then (subject to metering and ALPA’s grievance)
They would increase the percentage of new hire obligations under the "protected pilot" agreement to 50% from the current 35% and send a minimum of 30 per month if AA hires 60 or more that month.
The amended terms of the protected pilot agreement would be extended to all pilots hired after October 11, 2011 and to any Eagle new hires.
Downside
The agreement would extend until 2024 with little opportunity to amend it.
We would have to transition to a compensation model that incorporates wage caps for Captains at 12 years and 4 years for First Officers very similar to what the pilots at PSA recently agreed to. The transition would occur over roughly a four-year period.
Per diem would be reduced by $.20 on the date of signing with some incremental increases.
The employee contribution for medical coverage would increase by 5% in about a year.
We would accrue vacation at a slightly different rate and would lose the fifth week altogether.
Allow the company to train crews on the EMB 175 months before we receive it and then return them to their previous equipment until the deliveries begin.
We would adopt a 401k plan and sick accrual system that mirrors the current PSA contract.
Our current profit sharing plan would be suspended.
The proposal only guarantees a fleet of 60 aircraft
We plan to post the details of PSA's provisions on the Eagle ALPA website as well as a contract comparison of other regional airlines that are more similar to our operation.
The company indicated to us that, without what they consider to be a cost competitive agreement, they will place the aircraft with a competing carrier and we would become "Comair II".
It's important to be patient while the MEC digests the offer and determines how best to respond to management. It is equally important that you engage your LEC representatives to provide the perspective they will need to make that determination. There are many moving pieces in a process like this, so the details are likely to change. While the MEC has committed to working in an expedient manner, if there is an agreement with the company, it will be subject to pilot ratification.
I'll keep you updated as we proceed toward a response.
Fly safe.
MEC Chairman
Merry XmasDecember 20, 2013
Message from the Chairman
Fellow Eagle Pilots:
Yesterday we received a formal proposal from Eagle Management regarding the placement of large RJs on our property in exchange for additional concessions to achieve the company’s structure objectives. The proposal is extensive and touches a number of sections in our collective bargaining agreement. We briefed the MEC immediately following the meeting and engaged in a very spirited debate on the merits of the proposed changes. The MEC debate on a response will continue up through our meeting on January 2nd when the MEC will determine how to respond to Eagle management. To allow you the opportunity to advise your LEC representatives, the following is a general summary of their offer:
Potential Upside
The company would agree to increase the "metering" commitment under the existing 824 agreement from 20 to 30 beginning in September 2014. They would still send 20 per month or 50% of the AA new hire classes until then (subject to metering and ALPA’s grievance)
They would increase the percentage of new hire obligations under the "protected pilot" agreement to 50% from the current 35% and send a minimum of 30 per month if AA hires 60 or more that month.
The amended terms of the protected pilot agreement would be extended to all pilots hired after October 11, 2011 and to any Eagle new hires.
Downside
The agreement would extend until 2024 with little opportunity to amend it.
We would have to transition to a compensation model that incorporates wage caps for Captains at 12 years and 4 years for First Officers very similar to what the pilots at PSA recently agreed to. The transition would occur over roughly a four-year period.
Per diem would be reduced by $.20 on the date of signing with some incremental increases.
The employee contribution for medical coverage would increase by 5% in about a year.
We would accrue vacation at a slightly different rate and would lose the fifth week altogether.
Allow the company to train crews on the EMB 175 months before we receive it and then return them to their previous equipment until the deliveries begin.
We would adopt a 401k plan and sick accrual system that mirrors the current PSA contract.
Our current profit sharing plan would be suspended.
The proposal only guarantees a fleet of 60 aircraft
We plan to post the details of PSA's provisions on the Eagle ALPA website as well as a contract comparison of other regional airlines that are more similar to our operation.
The company indicated to us that, without what they consider to be a cost competitive agreement, they will place the aircraft with a competing carrier and we would become "Comair II".
It's important to be patient while the MEC digests the offer and determines how best to respond to management. It is equally important that you engage your LEC representatives to provide the perspective they will need to make that determination. There are many moving pieces in a process like this, so the details are likely to change. While the MEC has committed to working in an expedient manner, if there is an agreement with the company, it will be subject to pilot ratification.
I'll keep you updated as we proceed toward a response.
Fly safe.
MEC Chairman
#3505
#3506
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Joined: Jul 2007
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We are not a separate pilot group. In fact, we are not even separate from the rest of the world's pilot groups. If this is not obvious to you now, it never will be. You do not live in a vacuum.
Its only a matter of time before this kind of thing leaks back into the majors.
Its only a matter of time before this kind of thing leaks back into the majors.
#3507
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Joined: Jul 2008
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From: Left
You guys are dreaming if you don't think they would've thrown this at you if PSA has voted it down.
They want this from everyone(wholly owns). If we had voted no they would've sent out a statement along this lines of "we are shutting PSA down vote in what we offered them or you are next".
All that being said this is a bad situation.
Good luck.
They want this from everyone(wholly owns). If we had voted no they would've sent out a statement along this lines of "we are shutting PSA down vote in what we offered them or you are next".
All that being said this is a bad situation.
Good luck.
#3508
You guys are dreaming if you don't think they would've thrown this at you if PSA has voted it down.
They want this from everyone(wholly owns). If we had voted no they would've sent out a statement along this lines of "we are shutting PSA down vote in what we offered them or you are next".
All that being said this is a bad situation.
Good luck.
They want this from everyone(wholly owns). If we had voted no they would've sent out a statement along this lines of "we are shutting PSA down vote in what we offered them or you are next".
All that being said this is a bad situation.
Good luck.
If only PSA would hold the ground like everybody said they would had to work something in everyones favor.
#3509
Shutting you down was an empty threat. They say that in every contract negotiation. Why not threaten? Comair was shut down after numerous concessions being voted in. If they want to shut you down they will no matter what you vote.
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