I Love PSA
#3463
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Joined APC: Jun 2010
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You guys are dreaming if you don't think they would've thrown this at you if PSA has voted it down.
They want this from everyone(wholly owns). If we had voted no they would've sent out a statement along this lines of "we are shutting PSA down vote in what we offered them or you are next".
All that being said this is a bad situation.
Good luck.
They want this from everyone(wholly owns). If we had voted no they would've sent out a statement along this lines of "we are shutting PSA down vote in what we offered them or you are next".
All that being said this is a bad situation.
Good luck.
I know bunch of great guys at eagle that'll stand their ground. And they're smart enough to know that whether PSA voted yes or no won't affect the fact that AA will seek similar concessions from eagle and PDT. Unfortunately there aren't enough of them.
Now that they're being proposed the same deal, the keyboard warriors and cowards that call PSA names online are afraid because they'll be voting yes themselves and need someone to blame. When the eagle TA passes by 80%, they'll blame us for accepting it first.
#3466
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Joined APC: Jun 2010
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I wouldn't compare the regionals to Jesus. The regionals are more like the purgatory if anything.
#3467
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Joined APC: Feb 2011
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#3468
Hello New York --
Today the MEC sent an email detailing management's demands for concessions. I urge you to review the email. In case you missed it, I've appended it to this email. Similarly, I've attached a communication from our incoming President Pedro Fabergas.
Apparently, we didn't give sufficient concessions during bankruptcy. Management has long held the belief that you and I are overpaid, and our brothers and sisters at PSA validated those thoughts when they lowered the Regional bar even further without even being under direct duress. Management is now emboldened to try and replicate their beatdown of PSA elsewhere. If not here at Eagle, then somewhere else. I have no doubt that many small regional carriers will raise their hands and ask for the opportunity to provide concessions to AAG partly because ALPA has constantly preached we have no leverage and ALPA is hesitant to arrest the "every man for himself" mentality that pervades this profession.
Management beat up a small carrier into mimicking deals struck at bankrupt airlines like Pinnacle and now think that should be the model for everyone going forward. The 3000 pilots of Eagle, plus the 8000 pilots of Skywest, plus the 3000 RAH pilots must now all follow what the 500 did at PSA. Or else.
While in bankruptcy, we here at AMR pulled together in a "it's us versus Wall Street" mentality that saw you give amazing dependability and operational excellence to our fledgeling operation. In bankruptcy, AMR owned their mistakes of the past and provided a path forward for Eagle pilots that required management to perform as promised. USAir management has no such loyalty, and has indicated in quite a frank fashion that they are the ruthless WalMart of the air and will shop our flying to the lowest bidder, even if such bidder has no realistic chance of actually providing a good product.
Throughout bankruptcy -- for the past two years -- you provided your all to this company. You fought severe emotional drain and uncertainty, and you brought the planes in safely and on time. You worked miracles and went the extra mile when necessary to keep Eagle a bright shining star in the industry. In fact, you did such a good job that management took your name and plastered it on aircraft belonging to other workgroups in the hopes that passengers wouldn't notice it wasn't you flying.
And now you are being told you cost too much again.
Throughout the upcoming weeks and months, I urge you remember that management thinks you and I are worth less. We, and our efforts, are worth less. We can be replaced by somebody else willing to fly those planes for less. Please remember that as you go about your incredibly complex and difficult tasks. When things go wrong, when you must fix someone else's mistake, or anytime you have to go the extra mile or work a miracle, remember that you are worth less to this new management.
Over the Christmas and New Years week, Ray, Me and the MEC will work to craft a response that enhances the career prospects of Eagle pilots while minimizing the damage. But I'm not confident of our prospects. USAir is primarily interested in validating PSA's deal, and the only way to do that is to force another (preferable larger) player to accept the same terms. Are you willing? Please send your thoughts on the path forward to us, and the entire MEC.
Regards
Today the MEC sent an email detailing management's demands for concessions. I urge you to review the email. In case you missed it, I've appended it to this email. Similarly, I've attached a communication from our incoming President Pedro Fabergas.
Apparently, we didn't give sufficient concessions during bankruptcy. Management has long held the belief that you and I are overpaid, and our brothers and sisters at PSA validated those thoughts when they lowered the Regional bar even further without even being under direct duress. Management is now emboldened to try and replicate their beatdown of PSA elsewhere. If not here at Eagle, then somewhere else. I have no doubt that many small regional carriers will raise their hands and ask for the opportunity to provide concessions to AAG partly because ALPA has constantly preached we have no leverage and ALPA is hesitant to arrest the "every man for himself" mentality that pervades this profession.
Management beat up a small carrier into mimicking deals struck at bankrupt airlines like Pinnacle and now think that should be the model for everyone going forward. The 3000 pilots of Eagle, plus the 8000 pilots of Skywest, plus the 3000 RAH pilots must now all follow what the 500 did at PSA. Or else.
While in bankruptcy, we here at AMR pulled together in a "it's us versus Wall Street" mentality that saw you give amazing dependability and operational excellence to our fledgeling operation. In bankruptcy, AMR owned their mistakes of the past and provided a path forward for Eagle pilots that required management to perform as promised. USAir management has no such loyalty, and has indicated in quite a frank fashion that they are the ruthless WalMart of the air and will shop our flying to the lowest bidder, even if such bidder has no realistic chance of actually providing a good product.
Throughout bankruptcy -- for the past two years -- you provided your all to this company. You fought severe emotional drain and uncertainty, and you brought the planes in safely and on time. You worked miracles and went the extra mile when necessary to keep Eagle a bright shining star in the industry. In fact, you did such a good job that management took your name and plastered it on aircraft belonging to other workgroups in the hopes that passengers wouldn't notice it wasn't you flying.
And now you are being told you cost too much again.
Throughout the upcoming weeks and months, I urge you remember that management thinks you and I are worth less. We, and our efforts, are worth less. We can be replaced by somebody else willing to fly those planes for less. Please remember that as you go about your incredibly complex and difficult tasks. When things go wrong, when you must fix someone else's mistake, or anytime you have to go the extra mile or work a miracle, remember that you are worth less to this new management.
Over the Christmas and New Years week, Ray, Me and the MEC will work to craft a response that enhances the career prospects of Eagle pilots while minimizing the damage. But I'm not confident of our prospects. USAir is primarily interested in validating PSA's deal, and the only way to do that is to force another (preferable larger) player to accept the same terms. Are you willing? Please send your thoughts on the path forward to us, and the entire MEC.
Regards
#3469
PSA elves think that everybody else is a ***** like they are. They don't realize the unwillingness of most mature pilot groups to stand their ground.
Ten years from now when we all look back on this time period PSA will be remembered as the airline who destroyed this industry. I don't know about the rest of you, but I would not want my name associated with PSA in any way, shape, or form.
When all the hiring departments of the majors are staffed by former Regional pilots in the next ten to fifteen years...having PSA on your resume will be career suicide.
Good thing they are getting 30 aircraft!
Ten years from now when we all look back on this time period PSA will be remembered as the airline who destroyed this industry. I don't know about the rest of you, but I would not want my name associated with PSA in any way, shape, or form.
When all the hiring departments of the majors are staffed by former Regional pilots in the next ten to fifteen years...having PSA on your resume will be career suicide.
Good thing they are getting 30 aircraft!
#3470
Originally Posted by embraer
in the next ten to fifteen years...having PSA on your resume will be career suicide.
Ask Freedom-A or GoJet pilots who have been hired by pretty much any legacy/major/LCC/cargo carrier how much it was a detriment - I'd bet they say "not much".
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