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#2461
Over the life of the TA. I would lose $90,000 if vote in.
Some people more some less. If an f/o upgrades quicker that number would most likely drop by $25k.
Capping at year 12 is fine, if that is TOS. But with this TA some will be grandfathered in higher while others might not ever get there.
The issues i have is that Kirby wants the regionals to be ultra cheap. Match Delta. But at the same time giving bonuses to all the mainline pilots when the merger is completed. I wasn't responsible for putting mainline size airplanes at the regional level. Nor should i be responsible for taking a pay cut because of it either. Give me a $100,000 signing bonus and I will change my vote to yes. Till then…..
Some people more some less. If an f/o upgrades quicker that number would most likely drop by $25k.
Capping at year 12 is fine, if that is TOS. But with this TA some will be grandfathered in higher while others might not ever get there.
The issues i have is that Kirby wants the regionals to be ultra cheap. Match Delta. But at the same time giving bonuses to all the mainline pilots when the merger is completed. I wasn't responsible for putting mainline size airplanes at the regional level. Nor should i be responsible for taking a pay cut because of it either. Give me a $100,000 signing bonus and I will change my vote to yes. Till then…..
#2462
You'd think Parker could come up with something better than mimicking Richard Anderson. Rather than argue with regionals over nickels (in their eyes), why not come up with another way to be competitive with DAL? Perhaps enhance the garbage domestic product both airlines (USAirways and AA) offer?
Parker is as stupid and anyone who votes yes for this TA.
#2463
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I'm an AE guy but not one of the chest thumpers around here but I find it funny how you went on a rant about people talking about stuff and they don't know the facts, well sir you don't understand SCOPE.
AA had scope for only 47 CRJ 700 and to be flown American Eagle Airline pilots, they also had SCOPE restriction that if a regional bad airframes larger than 50 seaters on their certificate they couldn't fly 50 seaters for AA. The AA pilots didn't give this away, the judge threw away the APA CBA and this is how this was lost. Now as far as AE, we had guys roll over and have the company 30+ million in concesion but kept longevity and pay rates. But we did take a compensation hit, the W2 have shrunk.
Pinnacle guys went to the judge, Eagle guys didn't!
PSA is voting for concessions in return for airplanes to possibly do Flying another regional currently does, you are being asked by a profitable Airline making record profits to underbid other pilot groups while there aren't pilots to replace you. PSA isn't being asked for cuts to keep what they have, you are being asked to undercut other regionals. We don't know if the airplanes are growth or replacements since the bullet language is weak and leaves much to the imagination.
It's a turd and you can polish it all you want. Eagke guys rolled over the first time and stood up the second time, Pinnacle guys caught like hell but rolled over when the big hammer was brought out. I am straight shooter and gladly debate with you about facts anytime!
I don't care about what PSA did in the past, I care about what PSA will do over the next two weeks as you vote to underbid other regionals or stand your ground!!!
AA had scope for only 47 CRJ 700 and to be flown American Eagle Airline pilots, they also had SCOPE restriction that if a regional bad airframes larger than 50 seaters on their certificate they couldn't fly 50 seaters for AA. The AA pilots didn't give this away, the judge threw away the APA CBA and this is how this was lost. Now as far as AE, we had guys roll over and have the company 30+ million in concesion but kept longevity and pay rates. But we did take a compensation hit, the W2 have shrunk.
Pinnacle guys went to the judge, Eagle guys didn't!
PSA is voting for concessions in return for airplanes to possibly do Flying another regional currently does, you are being asked by a profitable Airline making record profits to underbid other pilot groups while there aren't pilots to replace you. PSA isn't being asked for cuts to keep what they have, you are being asked to undercut other regionals. We don't know if the airplanes are growth or replacements since the bullet language is weak and leaves much to the imagination.
It's a turd and you can polish it all you want. Eagke guys rolled over the first time and stood up the second time, Pinnacle guys caught like hell but rolled over when the big hammer was brought out. I am straight shooter and gladly debate with you about facts anytime!
I don't care about what PSA did in the past, I care about what PSA will do over the next two weeks as you vote to underbid other regionals or stand your ground!!!
Please don't bother argueing with Meyers. In case you missed it, here a link to how he spends his free when he's not on apc. What kind of a man do you think he is? His opinion should mean absolutely nothing to you.
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#2464
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Joined: Jul 2008
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Oh, that's it? This is fine then. Vote it in.
You'd think Parker could come up with something better than mimicking Richard Anderson. Rather than argue with regionals over nickels (in their eyes), why not come up with another way to be competitive with DAL? Perhaps enhance the garbage domestic product both airlines (USAirways and AA) offer?
Parker is as stupid and anyone who votes yes for this TA.
You'd think Parker could come up with something better than mimicking Richard Anderson. Rather than argue with regionals over nickels (in their eyes), why not come up with another way to be competitive with DAL? Perhaps enhance the garbage domestic product both airlines (USAirways and AA) offer?
Parker is as stupid and anyone who votes yes for this TA.
#2465
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Joined: May 2008
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Wow you truly have no life to go make something up like that? haha that is funny..... I wish I were 27.... That'd be nice.
Last edited by meyers9163; 09-11-2013 at 09:37 AM.
#2466
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Well Meyers, seems like you have it all figured out. There's probably nothing in this world you don't know either. While there are some on here just trolling around, many others have given sound advice...which you totally disregard and disrespect people. There's just no talking to you.
You will get everything you deserve one way or another with your attitude. Best of luck to you pilot group, it would be better served without you.
You will get everything you deserve one way or another with your attitude. Best of luck to you pilot group, it would be better served without you.
#2467
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And how the hell do you "vote on rates" but not on airplanes? If your negotiating a pay rate for a new airframe on the property.....there is usually some discussion on the airplanes being flown on that property.
So why don't you have your NC negotiate some A320 rates....?!?!?
So why don't you have your NC negotiate some A320 rates....?!?!?
Funny how yet if GoJets has bad numbers its ok for DAL to shop that around? When Mesa on the UAL side had awful numbers you all were ok with that possibly being removed? Yeah....
#2469
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I will not be taking a pay cut with this deal.... SO I am suppose to say NO?
#2470
Regardless of anything, don't worry we are not trying to convince you to say NO seeing as how you have already made up your mind.
Either way, we (from the other regional groups) hope that your pilot group (not you) will see the deal for what it is. Good Luck!
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