Kid eh? Nice.... I like all these references to being young.... Wonder why the hair is falling out and turning gray then.... Anyways that's a side note.....

There actually is a minimum of 48 hires a year at Mainline. To argue that no pilots will go is simply not valid. Currently we are losing 3 a month to mainline and in 2015/2016 that goes down to only 2. The way that LOA is also written is that when a merger occurs that LOA must be renegotiated with the new company. Thus really we wont even know as of right now if AA will honor such agreement or not.

However as of today Mainline is on goal to have the 3 per month for the year go. If this LOA passes they will be in position to indeed take the 48 in which they are required to per this LOA as well..... Thus this fear mongering of MAINLINE wont take PSA guys seems short sighted. Add to the fact if the SHORTAGE actually happens it will not matter as the doors else where will be wide open for anyone to go anywhere? Isnt that the reason I am suppose to vote this down? Vote it down because the shortage is here?

Who knows what will happen..... I would actually wager to say in the crew room and flying the line this will not pass by some 60/40..... Now that could change. My question is when the next company is up I want some others to tell me that they have PSA in mind and will make certain all PSA pilots lose no money and thus jobs will come in seniority order to their airline as well. I mean everyone else is going to watch out for PSA and AE right?

Also these planes, which if Mesa is getting this UAL order for E175's, I have not clue where they will go. One can only assume GoJets or something else. I personally would be more incline to vote NO if indeed Mesa ever gets announced for these E175s for UAL.

If Mesa gets those I would then agree with the logic unless Gojets flies these there really is no where else to place them except a wholly own of AE or PSA. The company already stated its not PDT as the cost to refleet PDT then takes away from the advantage they get by getting these planes.....

So in reality Mesa gets the 40 E-175's for UAL which seems to be the case. Does Skywest agree to fly CRJ900s for pennies? That doesnt seem to be Jerry's game. That then leaves Gojets?

 

You really want to turn this to me benefiting from you accepting a lower pay rate and work rules than PDT and Henson?! That in some way you guys breaking out of the group of WO"s and making your own deal in the middle of the night some how benefited me?!

The only one it benefited was you. You got your jet........You really are a POS.

 

I am wondering if any Mesa guys can confirm yet the E-175 for UAL? Our NC did claim that AA stated they would go to Mesa next. I find that ironic because if Mesa is offering 300% pay now for open time and they can't staff the 9 additional CRJ900's how the hell they are staffing 30-40 E-175's? If they get those there's no way in hell JO could accept any more flying......

Would Skywest and Jerry be willing to fly for pennies or would it be cheaper for US Airways and AA to buy the planes and fly them in house becomes the gamble. Currently they never wanted to buy planes and rather their partners or FFD pay the finance bill on new planes.

 

So what happens if they say. Well we interviewed 20 this month and don't like any of them. And do the same thing next month and the month after? How do you FORCE a compnay to take people?! Don't think so.

As to who will take the planes, who knows. Is that not what all the talks between the regionals MEC's was about?! Not undercutting each other? ALPA national should be ensuring everyone stays in line. Worst case, let Moak not sign any LOA that doesn't fit the new standard. (Is that' what alpa did at think it was Air Midwest, that Mesa had it's talons into?)


As to you wanting someone to tell you. Basically your saying, I'm not willing to do anything that someone else is not willing to do. What do you think it took for the Eagle guys to turn their crap offer down? Do you think that maybe, if two regionals (including limp Dicked PSA turns a crappy offer down, that all the talk amongst the regionals about no whipsaw etc will start to get traction)

I mean really. You've been used as a whipsaw for 10 yrs now. Break the mold.

 

He can and would accept the flying. he wouldn't be getting 30-40 all in one day.. prob. 1-2 a month or some crap. Yes, he can go in and offer increased pay for those birds to attract more people.......

 

You are completely missing the point. Your attitude of "I'm not taking a pay cut so it's ok," is incredibly short sighted and demonstrates how much you are missing the big picture. Voting yes might not hurt you today or tomorrow, but I promise in the coming years it will hurt you as you will have helped set the bar lower and placed pressure on every carrier (including mainline) to be competitive with your costs.

If you want to talk about making regionals a stepping stone then you need to look at the economics of the industry.

Regionals exist for one simple fact: they can perform the flying cheaper than mainline. Just like with any kind of outsourcing, the supplier has to be cheaper then the company doing the work themselves, otherwise what is the point?

The best way to promote better paying jobs at mainline carriers is to economically strangle regional carriers out of existence. We can't do that by accepting things like frozen pay scales and increases in medical expenses in exchange for empty promises.

The only way to secure a better profession is to hit management where it hurts them, their wallet. Any and all attempts to "secure flying" with concessions over the past decade by regional MECs have proven to be a failed strategy.

All that has happened is that airline management has taken those concessions and used them to grow regional like a cancer (with the help of chapter 11) because it was economically attractive to do so. Do you think management cares at all about any kind of line we draw in the sand regarding scope? They don't, they see mainline scope as a hinderance and if they had their way they'd be flying every aircraft at regional wages. Of course there would be people like you eager to fly a 737 or A320 at regional rates all while claiming, "I didn't take a pay cut to do this, so its all good." Over the lifetime of your career you'd likely leave a couple million dollars on the table because of your shortsightedness.

The only way to make regionals a stepping stone it to remove the economic incentive so that the flying stays where it belongs: mainline.


That doesn't mean the CRJ-900s will ever be flown at mainline at rates that we might consider respectable. However those aircraft then become the entry level at mainline instead of "making it to the top" at a regional (as we've seen this past decade with regional lifers) for pilots.


Voting yes on this TA will continue the wave of concessions at other regionals first initiated by Pinnacle.

Mark my words, if PSA votes yes to this proposal it will have profound effects on every pilot group. God forbid we have another 9/11 or an energy crisis or another round of bankruptcies where the further relaxation of mainline scope is allowed. If something like on of those events happens and PSA or Pinnacle like cost structures exist everywhere in the industry then management will be falling over themselves to outsource larger and larger mainline aircraft.

 

Yes mesa is getting the 175. Call their mecc. He'll tell you straight up what they will say. I called him and I know others on here have as well

 

Oh and the excuse of the cost of refleet PDT takes away the savings. Don't believe a word. Hell they started up two new airlines for these airplanes at one time. Don't believe they won't do it again........


Now I'll show my ignorance, as different models have been tossed out there, and I'm not going back reading 400 pages.

On the table at eagle was 900s or 170/5's? and at PSA this latest LOA is -900's or 170/5's?

If it's 900's do you not already have pay rates for them, and hence why does management need to negotiate anything. They have the ability to place them on the ramp tomorrow......

 

Correct. If it was up to me I'd say you wanna negotiate? Contract is amendable in 2018. See you then.

 

Hell no one has been told a plane yet..... It's another mystery.