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10-08-2013 | 03:34 PM
#2991
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The union's thought process was that now we DO have leverage. Since we have in writing that PSA is guaranteed to have at least 30 acft.
If they want to come back to us for say, more planes, then we could negotiate a little more aggressively. They mentioned the fact that staffing could become an issue in the near future and that we could get some improvements to the deal later on to help attract pilots.
Our NC is putting their money where their mouth is on this one as they are right in that "pay cap" area and will immediately feel the effects of this TA.
I think it makes sense.
If they want to come back to us for say, more planes, then we could negotiate a little more aggressively. They mentioned the fact that staffing could become an issue in the near future and that we could get some improvements to the deal later on to help attract pilots.
Our NC is putting their money where their mouth is on this one as they are right in that "pay cap" area and will immediately feel the effects of this TA.
I think it makes sense.
10-08-2013 | 03:49 PM
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I was just giving insight on to what it was we were told. I think the theory that our NC suggested during roadshows was valid.
10-08-2013 | 04:28 PM
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The union's thought process was that now we DO have leverage. Since we have in writing that PSA is guaranteed to have at least 30 acft.
If they want to come back to us for say, more planes, then we could negotiate a little more aggressively. They mentioned the fact that staffing could become an issue in the near future and that we could get some improvements to the deal later on to help attract pilots.
Our NC is putting their money where their mouth is on this one as they are right in that "pay cap" area and will immediately feel the effects of this TA.
I think it makes sense.
If they want to come back to us for say, more planes, then we could negotiate a little more aggressively. They mentioned the fact that staffing could become an issue in the near future and that we could get some improvements to the deal later on to help attract pilots.
Our NC is putting their money where their mouth is on this one as they are right in that "pay cap" area and will immediately feel the effects of this TA.
I think it makes sense.
10-08-2013 | 04:45 PM
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So you had leverage and rolled over in exchange for the possibility of growth airplanes and flying shifted from one regional to yours, and you are hoping that management will come to you know for improvements? And then you will have more leverage? You have them 10+ years of not having to make contract improvements.
I think I've had enough of you guys....
It's pretty clear that a logical conversation cannot be had.
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10-08-2013 | 07:06 PM
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The union's thought process was that now we DO have leverage. Since we have in writing that PSA is guaranteed to have at least 30 acft.
If they want to come back to us for say, more planes, then we could negotiate a little more aggressively. They mentioned the fact that staffing could become an issue in the near future and that we could get some improvements to the deal later on to help attract pilots.
Our NC is putting their money where their mouth is on this one as they are right in that "pay cap" area and will immediately feel the effects of this TA.
I think it makes sense.
If they want to come back to us for say, more planes, then we could negotiate a little more aggressively. They mentioned the fact that staffing could become an issue in the near future and that we could get some improvements to the deal later on to help attract pilots.
Our NC is putting their money where their mouth is on this one as they are right in that "pay cap" area and will immediately feel the effects of this TA.
I think it makes sense.
10-08-2013 | 07:22 PM
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That is the funniest thing I have ever heard. Our MEC is weak. They are in way over their heads. Saying they are unqualified is an understatement. We are screwed for at least 10 years thanks to them and their "negotiating". Nothing will come good of this TA. It is a giant leap backwards. To think this TA positions us for improvements is jeuvenile. Hell we didn't lose the battle, we lost the war. Thanks ALPA.
10-08-2013 | 08:03 PM
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I already fly a shiny jet and I voted no....so there goes that.
Everyone here is an expert because they read the bullet points on this TA and because STW is yelling that we "sold everyone out." Think whatever you want. I was just trying to have a sane conversation. Unfortunately every single response to anything anyone at PSA has to say is "idiot" "sellout" "SJS" etc...
I don't know how any of you get through a day while hating people you don't know so much. It is ridiculous that people are giddy to do a CLT turn so they might get to deny a PSA pilot a jumpseat.
Tomorrow when I'm off, playing golf I will not be thinking about work or anything to do with work. You should all give it a try.
I won't be contributing to this topic any longer.
I know, I know. Quite a loss right....
Everyone here is an expert because they read the bullet points on this TA and because STW is yelling that we "sold everyone out." Think whatever you want. I was just trying to have a sane conversation. Unfortunately every single response to anything anyone at PSA has to say is "idiot" "sellout" "SJS" etc...
I don't know how any of you get through a day while hating people you don't know so much. It is ridiculous that people are giddy to do a CLT turn so they might get to deny a PSA pilot a jumpseat.
Tomorrow when I'm off, playing golf I will not be thinking about work or anything to do with work. You should all give it a try.
I won't be contributing to this topic any longer.
I know, I know. Quite a loss right....
10-08-2013 | 08:11 PM
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I already fly a shiny jet and I voted no....so there goes that.
Everyone here is an expert because they read the bullet points on this TA and because STW is yelling that we "sold everyone out." Think whatever you want. I was just trying to have a sane conversation. Unfortunately every single response to anything anyone at PSA has to say is "idiot" "sellout" "SJS" etc...
I don't know how any of you get through a day while hating people you don't know so much. It is ridiculous that people are giddy to do a CLT turn so they might get to deny a PSA pilot a jumpseat.
Tomorrow when I'm off, playing golf I will not be thinking about work or anything to do with work. You should all give it a try.
I won't be contributing to this topic any longer.
I know, I know. Quite a loss right....
Everyone here is an expert because they read the bullet points on this TA and because STW is yelling that we "sold everyone out." Think whatever you want. I was just trying to have a sane conversation. Unfortunately every single response to anything anyone at PSA has to say is "idiot" "sellout" "SJS" etc...
I don't know how any of you get through a day while hating people you don't know so much. It is ridiculous that people are giddy to do a CLT turn so they might get to deny a PSA pilot a jumpseat.
Tomorrow when I'm off, playing golf I will not be thinking about work or anything to do with work. You should all give it a try.
I won't be contributing to this topic any longer.
I know, I know. Quite a loss right....
If you think this isn't true, you're wrong. Every management is now telling their pilots they "have to compete" with the new normal, especially republic, expressjet, and skywest (who are in pay negotiations currently)
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10-08-2013 | 08:26 PM
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