PSA & PDT:Industry Leading Race to the Bottom
09-05-2014 | 12:49 PM
#41
Need More Flight Time!
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Now that's funny right there.
09-05-2014 | 12:57 PM
#42
Happy at PDT
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From: EMB-145 CA
Ok so the raise at PDT would be on average about 1-1.5$ an hour, over 4 and 10 years... Who cares about the fact that they will be flying double the size airplanes... What a joke !!
Current contract for Fo pay :
32.61$ per hour average over 4 years on dash 8
35.83$ per hour average over 10 years on dash 8
2014 TA :
32.61$ per hour average over 4 years on dash 8
33.91$ per hour average over 4 years on up to 76 seats planes
35.83$ per hour average over 10 years on dash 8
37.05$ per hour average over 10 years on up to 76 seats planes.
Current contract for Fo pay :
32.61$ per hour average over 4 years on dash 8
35.83$ per hour average over 10 years on dash 8
2014 TA :
32.61$ per hour average over 4 years on dash 8
33.91$ per hour average over 4 years on up to 76 seats planes
35.83$ per hour average over 10 years on dash 8
37.05$ per hour average over 10 years on up to 76 seats planes.
09-05-2014 | 01:03 PM
#43
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It's actually a serious question. I can't speak for other carriers with independent representation, I can only speak from personal experience. While USAPA's tactics were and remain questionable, they look out for who they represent "US Airways East." Same goes for the APA, they look out for the pilots they represent, those on the American Airlines seniority list. Southwest and SWAPA...same deal.
I have plenty of friends stuck at the regionals and a good majority of them swear allegiance to ALPA. I look at the these regionals (wholly owned or not) "represented" by ALPA fighting for each other's scraps.
Just looking for some honest feedback, it's not my intention to sound offensive.
GHOST
I have plenty of friends stuck at the regionals and a good majority of them swear allegiance to ALPA. I look at the these regionals (wholly owned or not) "represented" by ALPA fighting for each other's scraps.
Just looking for some honest feedback, it's not my intention to sound offensive.
GHOST
09-05-2014 | 01:10 PM
#44
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Your math is getting fuzzy. You can't average our current 28 dollar starting pay vs New jet 24 dollar starting pay and call it the same. We are accepting the 24 dollar jet starting rates because the rest of you distinguished know it all's already accepted lowball starting rates, so what choice have we? The jet rates increase faster over 4 years. Also, remember, we currently fly the 50 seater for the same rate as the 37 seater as FOs. CAs get an override on the 50 seater. It is a raise...
Actually the math is right. You choose to agree to a TA with a 24$ an hour first year pay. Whether the rate increases faster for the jet, over 4 years, or not ; doesn't make a difference. At the end of the day, over a 4 year period, flying the jet instead of the dash, as an FO, will earn a new hire a mere 4680$ before taxes.
1.3$ ( overall 4 years average difference ) X 75 ( minimum guarantee ) x 12 ( months a year ) X 4 ( number of years ) = 4680$
09-05-2014 | 01:32 PM
#45
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For starters, I work for the real Expressjet. I have never flown anything for AA. Keep telling yourself what you have to, to sleep at night. The fact is, you guys screwed the entire FFD sector abd yourselves. When you finish your trip and plop down on a moldy sofa in your moms basement where you live, you can sit there and tell yourself hiw great your QOL is. AAG executives will enjoy the pay bump.
09-05-2014 | 02:44 PM
#46
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"Why is it all of a sudden PSAs fault?"
Because Envoy needs someone to blame because they can never take responsibility and ownership for anything. They are their own worst enemy. "Stop The Whipsaw" they scream all day, however if they were getting 47 more planes they wouldn't be so worried about it. Let us know when it's ok to come by and pick up the keys boys!
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Because Envoy needs someone to blame because they can never take responsibility and ownership for anything. They are their own worst enemy. "Stop The Whipsaw" they scream all day, however if they were getting 47 more planes they wouldn't be so worried about it. Let us know when it's ok to come by and pick up the keys boys!
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09-05-2014 | 02:49 PM
#47
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The simple fact us that Envoy thought they could go toe to toe with Parker. They found out otherwise. Once they turned down the deal for the 900s, the deal wasn't coming back. The 700s are beyond PSAs control. If you want to point fingers point them at Parker. It's not up to PSA to cut off their nose to spite their face.
09-05-2014 | 02:56 PM
#48
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We were offered A deal that we were very unlikely to take. That way it could then be taken to PSA, already a CRJ operator and sold over there. The whisper at the time was being sold to you was that the 700s later were coming with the deal. That way PSA would be an all CRJ operator and envoy would be all embraer. You all understood you were taking the concessionary deal simply to take airplanes from envoy. Your leadership understood that it also probably meant our 700s. And that rumor was well spread when you guys voted. You guys did what you did. Don't try to rewrite history.
I wish you had access to our web board. Never, ever, ever did anyone ever mention that eagles 700's were part of the TA. Not one person made mention to that.
Now after the agreement was signed, we did have management speculate that airways is looking at shuffling airplanes around. They even mentioned that we would just be a 700/900 operator. Yes there was talk about PSA losing 200's. That is why many of us were scared of the TA. The thought was that we get 900's and we lose 200's. But never was eagles 700's part of the picture during the TA debacle.
09-05-2014 | 03:03 PM
#49
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We were offered A deal that we were very unlikely to take. That way it could then be taken to PSA, already a CRJ operator and sold over there. The whisper at the time was being sold to you was that the 700s later were coming with the deal. That way PSA would be an all CRJ operator and envoy would be all embraer. You all understood you were taking the concessionary deal simply to take airplanes from envoy. Your leadership understood that it also probably meant our 700s. And that rumor was well spread when you guys voted. You guys did what you did. Don't try to rewrite history.
09-05-2014 | 06:52 PM
#50
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From: LeftSeat PA-44
We were offered A deal that we were very unlikely to take. That way it could then be taken to PSA, already a CRJ operator and sold over there. The whisper at the time was being sold to you was that the 700s later were coming with the deal. That way PSA would be an all CRJ operator and envoy would be all embraer. You all understood you were taking the concessionary deal simply to take airplanes from envoy. Your leadership understood that it also probably meant our 700s. And that rumor was well spread when you guys voted. You guys did what you did. Don't try to rewrite history.
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