"The PSA MEC believes that our ALPA brothers and sisters had crear foresight during the adoption of Administrative Manual Section 45, part 4.B."

That's the first sentence of the 2nd page of the document. Call your reps as stated before.

It's not about the "money". Upgrading here would get me around $75 hr vs $62 at PSA starting at the bottom. Now...would you accept any Envoy pilots to go to PSA with DOH?

 

Can you post or PM me the full letter?

And yes, I would be fine for DoH for pay and vacation/sick time.

 

I get that... But I still feel those feelings of anger are misplaced. There are much more culpable parties at the table than just PSA. We have just become the "whippin' boy" for Envoy to take out it's frustration on. I have friends currently at Envoy who don't hold a grudge, and friends here at PSA who used to be at Envoy and are now happier for their jump. But I do agree, this thread has pretty much become useless. You have to dig through 5 pages of bickering and jests to get one useful bit of information.

 

Same please.

 

I've seen it. It is true. I don't have it to post. Like the Cuuj said, ask your Union reps.

Why would the envoy guys be mad? Well let's see....You get awarded our planes and we shrink and stagnate. Before even taking a single airplane, your Union sends a letter to ALPA national saying that taking the planes right now will cause you to implode. They then suggest we(envoy) should commit to helping you by striking a deal to send you our pilots with the planes.

Well why not keep the planes, and the pilots at envoy? Would that not be better for all of our pilots? Should they go over to PSA at the bottom of your list and sit reseve forever, making $62.90/hr, or by keeping our planes longer, should they stay here and make north of $80/hr, and flow faster? You guys say you didn't ask for what happened to you but your arguments are selfish. Our pilots would make more money staying put and letting the natural course play out. You make it sound like you are doing our pilots a favor when once again you are really self serving. Your Union needs a blanket party.

 

Yes. It's called a merger and I would be all for it.

 

Merger party!

 

You would be all for a merger with a Date of Hire integration?

 

And you make it sound like there is something we can do about it. You get to decide. The choice is all yours. Don't screw it up.

 

In all seriousness, I don't have the answers. All I know is that there are bigger pieces at play than either you or I have knowledge of. Some on this thread do make PSA look bad. But a lot of you guys come on here and stir the pot needlessly. Both sides egging the other on. What's the point really?